Loki
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They'll never go for it. His market value is around 70m and I expect Liverpool will demand at least that. They also need to finance their new toys. Should be a pass for us.
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Don Juan Laporta Estruch
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In contrast to the Garcia transfer, there really is no upside here.
At BEST, he replicates his Liverpool form, which was a very inconsistent player who suffered from weak finishing, underwhelming stats and poor decision making. A player who dribbles past 4 players but does nothing at the end of it.
He is not suddenly going to become world class at 28, folks. But Liverpool are expecting a 'world class' fee. How Barca are not seeing this I'm not quite sure.
You pay 70m for a 28 year old, he has to be a slam dunk. Otherwise you have another Countinho, Griezmann situation on your hands.
You bring Diaz in, he changes NOTHING. Not one thing. The team will be as good as it was this year. Zero improvement. Now you could go and get Gyokeres for around the same price and you suddenly have a pressing machine, with great long range shooting, strength, hold up play, speed and acceleration and direct free kicks ( A big weakness in our team ).
Now imagine how better we would be with someone that brings all those attributes to our team.
At BEST, he replicates his Liverpool form, which was a very inconsistent player who suffered from weak finishing, underwhelming stats and poor decision making. A player who dribbles past 4 players but does nothing at the end of it.
He is not suddenly going to become world class at 28, folks. But Liverpool are expecting a 'world class' fee. How Barca are not seeing this I'm not quite sure.
You pay 70m for a 28 year old, he has to be a slam dunk. Otherwise you have another Countinho, Griezmann situation on your hands.
You bring Diaz in, he changes NOTHING. Not one thing. The team will be as good as it was this year. Zero improvement. Now you could go and get Gyokeres for around the same price and you suddenly have a pressing machine, with great long range shooting, strength, hold up play, speed and acceleration and direct free kicks ( A big weakness in our team ).
Now imagine how better we would be with someone that brings all those attributes to our team.
TheStig
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No Trash.
Diaz is a much better player but never worth 80 mil even if we were loaded with money. I would really wish that Deco had more imagination than going only for washed up EPL wingers but it is what it is.
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
Diaz won't improve our starting line up, but there is no way in hell you would argue that he won't improve the team. He is actually a guy with fairly consistent product every year and is a massive upgrade over Fati/Victor. Very versatile, hard working player on cheap cost.
Price is actually the smaller part of the cost, salary and commissions are the bigger parts. Gyokeres is far more expensive than Diaz to even compare the two.
And honestly, Arsenal, Chelsea, Manu, Liverpool are all negotiating with other players and not a single bid for Gyo himself. You gotta ask questions before calling out Barca for not targeting him
Price is actually the smaller part of the cost, salary and commissions are the bigger parts. Gyokeres is far more expensive than Diaz to even compare the two.
And honestly, Arsenal, Chelsea, Manu, Liverpool are all negotiating with other players and not a single bid for Gyo himself. You gotta ask questions before calling out Barca for not targeting him
Temptation
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You signed a 33 year old RL9 for 55 mil and it turned out to be a massively successful transfer.
Diaz is 28 and has atleast 3 prime years left. He's quick, an excellent dribbler and ball carrier and entertaining to watch.
jamrock
Senior Member
Definitely more needed.
Temptation
Well-known member
We're linked to Gyokeres 🥲
serghei
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With Diaz, the issue is the team lacks in defense. You could get Diaz, and the blunders and problems in defense continue to hurt us vs better teams... and you don't improve in the area that is the worst in our team. The transfer makes much more sense if you have the defense sorted and all you lack is more depth up front.
But this is far from the actual case displayed this season. The attack was running like a machine and the defense was crap. So I don't see the logic in thinking Diaz is suddenly gonna make Martin look better, would make Araujo deal with pressure, Inigo 6-7 years younger, and Cubarsi more experienced overnight.
Just doesn't make sense to bolster the attack at this point with an expensive signings who's not even primed to be a starter, with the little funds we have. Flick is not to be trusted on the defensive side. It doesn't matter what he thinks is needed. Of course a manager with an ultra attacking philosophy is gonna want new toys in attack and neglect the defense, that's who he is. It doesn't mean you should listen to him.
This is a moment where our board and Deco simply need to overrule the manager and sign players to improve the defense.
But this is far from the actual case displayed this season. The attack was running like a machine and the defense was crap. So I don't see the logic in thinking Diaz is suddenly gonna make Martin look better, would make Araujo deal with pressure, Inigo 6-7 years younger, and Cubarsi more experienced overnight.
Just doesn't make sense to bolster the attack at this point with an expensive signings who's not even primed to be a starter, with the little funds we have. Flick is not to be trusted on the defensive side. It doesn't matter what he thinks is needed. Of course a manager with an ultra attacking philosophy is gonna want new toys in attack and neglect the defense, that's who he is. It doesn't mean you should listen to him.
This is a moment where our board and Deco simply need to overrule the manager and sign players to improve the defense.
Don Juan Laporta Estruch
Basta yaaaaaaa, Cabron ! y Bona nit 🥂
To have 3 prime years left, one needs to first enter their prime. Diaz hasn't escaped medicority yet. He's played 51 games in Europe and hasn't managed to register an assist.
You can't seriously compare him to a player we bought who had been amongst the world's best goalscorers for 10 years running?
Not withstanding that said player is going to be the weakest link in the team next season at 37 years of age, so there is a big chance Lewa could undo a lot of the good work he has done.
serghei
Senior Member
Starting level CB, solid fullback squad player who could cover both wings ideally, goalkeeper. Do all 3 first and you can sign Diaz for all I care. Sign Diaz and neglect the defense, and we'll continue to receive buckets of goals in CL.
PSG's back 4 + keeper walk into our team. In midfield and attack it is close. But in defense, there's a big difference between the teams. And PSG not only have a better team, but also a more defensively conscious manager.
But even with Flick's more risky tactics, the difference in personnel in defense is so serious, that Flick could defend better with PSG's players than Lucho could with ours.
PSG's back 4 + keeper walk into our team. In midfield and attack it is close. But in defense, there's a big difference between the teams. And PSG not only have a better team, but also a more defensively conscious manager.
But even with Flick's more risky tactics, the difference in personnel in defense is so serious, that Flick could defend better with PSG's players than Lucho could with ours.
Messi983
Senior Member
Defensive struggles are the system issue not personell one.
We clearly need more depth in attack, if Yamal or Raphi get injured we are fecked. But 28 yo Diaz for 70m+ is not the answer. For 40m I could get behind his signing mainly because I believe we could ship him off to Saudis in two years recuperating all the money and maybe even for profit. But at the reported fee we shouldn't waste time.
We clearly need more depth in attack, if Yamal or Raphi get injured we are fecked. But 28 yo Diaz for 70m+ is not the answer. For 40m I could get behind his signing mainly because I believe we could ship him off to Saudis in two years recuperating all the money and maybe even for profit. But at the reported fee we shouldn't waste time.
Don Juan Laporta Estruch
Basta yaaaaaaa, Cabron ! y Bona nit 🥂
Unfair on Don Flick. It's a bit of a leap to make that an attacking manager doesn't prioritise world class defensive players.
I agree we need an experienced, great centre back to bring on Pau and replace Inigo. But the fact we are not looking for one is mainly on the Sporting Department.
Let's face it, it's every year. The Sporting Department is a massive problem. Everyone was saying last year that Olmo's injury record wasn't worth the risk of 60m. Especially when you have an up and coming baller like Fermin on the books.
Guess what? Barcaforum was right. Barca Sporting Dept was wrong.
They are just not very good at their jobs.
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