1 - Marc-Andre ter Stegen

[khaled_a_d]

I don't see how a professional players medical paper is a privacy issue, he's paid millions primarily to be healthy and available, if anything impacts that, the club should have the right to know.

But that's just me speaking without any legal background

It is a deeper ethical question and how much are you paid isn't part of it, NBA has failed to force players who are trying to enter the league to share their medicals for decades. I think they managed to have some leeway only recently, although I stopped caring that much about the CBA.
Europe has even far less lenient rules and protect their labour far more

Edit: And this isn't the issue, he is sharing his medical info, he is refusing the club sharing it

 

[ZenI]

Wtf am I not getting? LL needs to know for how long he'll be out, minimum of 4 months before we can de-register him, he doesn't want to disclose that info? How the fucking fuck is this even possible for us, LL, FFP etc? I mean from a legal point of view, it's not like nobody thought about a bitter (ex)player wanting to fuck over his club out of pettiness - or???

 

[Horatio]

I was about to say the same. How did we manage to unsubscribe him last season if La Liga needs proof a player will be unavailable for majority of season.

 

[ZenI]

And of course the even more pressing question, how the fuck are we not inside of FFP after all the deferred wages are now payed out and we won the LL and got to CL semi's? We're probably top 5 out of all clubs selling merch, huge fucking Nike deal, Spotify etc etc etc - the fuck is going on???

 

[serghei]

And of course the even more pressing question, how the fuck are we not inside of FFP after all the deferred wages are now payed out and we won the LL and got to CL semi's? We're probably top 5 out of all clubs selling merch, huge fucking Nike deal, Spotify etc etc etc - the fuck is going on???

Probably as simple as the revenue not being fully operational with Camp Nou issue, and the expenses still being high because we are trying to build an elite side, and we are succeeding at it. This doesn't come cheap.

I hear we made something like 800m, but in normal circumstances, we should easily be passing 1bn. 200m extra per season would make a huge difference.

 

[Gnidrologist]

What is the fuck are you talking about? Ter Stegen is sharing the information with the Club, he isn't consenting the club sharing it to a 3rd party which is La Liga. And he is absolutely entitled to that by the law, hence why the club is requesting it and not doing it alone. Trying to force someone to waive his rights isn't within the club

How does that make any sense. Terrorist works for FC Barcelona, who in turn is part of bigger organization called LL. His work is directly tied in with LL, to which both club and players are legally bound to obey. Information about players availability hard coded into this mutual contract, even if not signed by pen.

 

[ZenI]

Probably as simple as the revenue not being fully operational with Camp Nou issue, and the expenses still being high because we are trying to build an elite side, and we are succeeding at it. This doesn't come cheap.

I hear we're making 800m, but in normal circumstances, we should easily be passing 1bn.

Math is still not mathing. For an elite side with our revenue we for now only have 2 fucking players above 20M. Beside, we have the youngsters on ridicules wages - Casado, Bernal, Martin etc - making like 2-3M. Its all just strange... of course there's some reason to it, otherwise everybody would be registered - but something fundamental is off.

 

[Birdy]

What is the fuck are you talking about? Ter Stegen is sharing the information with the Club, he isn't consenting the club sharing it to a 3rd party which is La Liga. And he is absolutely entitled to that by the law, hence why the club is requesting it and not doing it alone. Trying to force someone to waive his rights isn't within the club

No, you don't know what you are talking about.
You don't understand the purpose of this consent form.

AGAIN, for the Nth time: these forms protect players from someone (like press) SPREADING their personal medical information without them having consented to.

Of course, this had nothing to do with sharing medical info with LL, which is also an organization any footballer contracted with Barca participates in, and IS REGISTERED as squad player of Barca with.

You can't understand the plain difference?

PS: It's just a legal loophole, that after Stegen's idiocy will be resoloved soon.
Any player signing a contract with the club will also be giving in that contract consent for the club to use his medical records for operations related to their profession (thus to LL and others)

 

[serghei]

Math is still not mathing. For an elite side with our revenue we for now only have 2 fucking players above 20M. Beside, we have the youngsters on ridicules wages - Casado, Bernal, Martin etc - making like 2-3M. Its all just strange... of course there's some reason to it, otherwise everybody would be registered - but something fundamental is off.

We also have quite several highly paid players. It's not all low wages. And all sorts of expenses which are there probably but the fans don't know them in full detail.

 

[serghei]

No, you don't know what you are talking about.
You don't understand the purpose of this consent form.

AGAIN, for the Nth time: these forms protect players from someone (like press) SPREADING their personal medical information without them having consented to.

Of course, this had nothing to do with sharing medical info with LL, which is also an organization any footballer contracted with Barca participates in, and IS REGISTERED as squad player of Barca with.

You can't understand the plain difference?

PS: It's just a legal loophole, that after Stegen's idiocy will be resoloved soon.
Any player signing a contract with the club will also be giving in that contract consent for the club to use his medical records for operations related to their profession (thus to LL and others)

Legal loophole or not, legislation in this area is not gonna change just because of some case that happens in football. Privacy law is very strict and very powerful in Europe.

How is it gonna be resolved? Players don't sign any contracts with La Liga. La Liga deals with clubs alone. They asked for his medical records, we asked for Stegen permission, he said no.

Now, I don't understand exactly how can La Liga deny us the registration of another player instead of the injured one because said player doesn't want to release his medical info. We did our part.

 

[ZenI]

We also have quite several highly paid players. It's not all low wages. And all sorts of expenses which are there probably but the fans don't know them in full detail.

Sure, sure - but for a club of our size, revenue etc having 10 players on 10-15M and 2 on 25M is not something outrages. And whatever happened to the deferred wages, they all gone - also Lewa is now on 25ish?
I get it, we're still inside FFP - but than FFP is fucked up. It's not like it's protecting the clubs at all, financially overall we're doing better than just fine. So for the the fuck is it in place for? Fucking Mbappe is like 1/3 totally of our wages ffs - something ain't mathing like I said...

 

[ZenI]

And now this motherfucker... the shit we read and react to is not even possible. So you stub your toe or you break every single bone in your body and DON'T release your journal to LL and their hands are tide up? Fucking impossible, this is a travesty - wait until the dust settles.. but Stegen is a fuckface anyhow.

 

[serghei]

How does that make any sense. Terrorist works for FC Barcelona, who in turn is part of bigger organization called LL. His work is directly tied in with LL, to which both club and players are legally bound to obey. Information about players availability hard coded into this mutual contract, even if not signed by pen.

How? It's not usual for situations like this one to happen. La Liga doesn't really need to know about Stegen's surgery on normal scenario. It's just with this registration rule that they have.

99.99% of the time it's in the player's best interest to give his consent. It's usually for doctors to treat them. This time, it's so he can be deregistered. Not in his best interest to give his consent.

 

[Gnidrologist]

How? It's not usual for situations like this one to happen. La Liga doesn't really need to know about Stegen's surgery on normal scenario. It's just with this registration rule that they have.

So they don't need to know, except for such crucial aspects as registration. Is this some kind of Shrodinger thing?

99.99% of the time it's in the player's best interest to give his consent. It's usually for doctors to treat them. This time, it's so he can be deregistered. Not in his best interest to give his consent.

Which means he doesn't given consent to work for what he is paid for and for which he should be fired in normal world.

 

[DonAK]

How does that make any sense. Terrorist works for FC Barcelona, who in turn is part of bigger organization called LL. His work is directly tied in with LL, to which both club and players are legally bound to obey. Information about players availability hard coded into this mutual contract, even if not signed by pen.

Because a player's medical information is not something required by the league for anything apart from in special cases like these where the club are trying to use it to free up salary cap space so they're a third party here.

Need consent from the player in a such case for the third party to get the specifics about his surgery and recovery time.