1 - Marc-Andre ter Stegen

serghei

Senior Member
He has bigger cause for sueing if we punish him for exercising his rights.
And if anything, Marc is saving the club from their own incompetence. Counting on injury for registration for just 4 month will yield to another Olmo case.

Olmo case is a win in the end. I believe Barca has a good legal team, they will look at all angles.

I don't think there's a case of incompetence. We simply are doing everything possible to register our 2 signings we made this summer without weakening the team.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
He has bigger cause for sueing if we punish him for exercising his rights.

It is not as simple as that. He will have to prove to the court the reason for not giving his consent in the specific case.

It's not that someone merely took his medical info and gave it to the press.
The club is trying to execute a specific action for which his medical info is indispensable
 

jlim632

Member
Typically for any working professional, isn't there a need to produce a medical certificate to certify if a person is fit for duty? Failure to do so will render the person absent without official leave and is a ground for termination of a person's contract?
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
Olmo case is a win in the end. I believe Barca has a good legal team, they will look at all angles.

I don't think there's a case of incompetence. We simply are doing everything possible to register our 2 signings we made this summer without weakening the team.

The judge himself said we won the Olmo case due to mistakes in La Liga papers, otherwise they would have won it. It was literally Tebas incompetence that saved us.

La liga has changed the rules, and we could re-register players again afaik, the problem is still the vip seats. It is the club waiting for it to be approved by current auditor. I is dependent on the timing of that process. If it happens before the September 1 deadline, we should be able to register "most" if not all the players, if not then they are banking on it to be approved between September and January

If we are over the salary cap regardless, then we are far more fucked, it means the club is banking on January sale to register all players fully, and we will have another fiasco in January.
We need to sort our shit right now, and leave the midseason drama. It benefit literally no one.


It is not as simple as that. He will have to prove to the court the reason for not giving his consent in the specific case.

Wrong, the burden will be on the club to prove they have a reason to force someone to break his own right for his own medical data privacy. Saying "hi, we are spending more than we are allowed, but we can register player using this information, why isn't he helping" won't make a case in court.

Never mind, the fact that if Marc comes before 4 months, the club will get punishment that is 3 times that allowed salary, this gives the club incentive to slow down his treatment plan, and gives the player the ground to worry about his rehabilitation.

Imagine if Marc indeed came back at 3 months time, and the club will face financial consequence for this, what do you expect the club to do?

It is a shut and closed case, the club is bluffing. They are trying to gaslight him into accepting it, which could very well work.
But you can stop daydreaming of the tough guy act while using the law, law will be on his side. This is real life, no Suits.

I hate Marc as a player and criticized him way longer than most fans on the forum, I want him out.
And I hate how he handled himself since last April, and I get the fans are mad at him, fans don't care about nothing but success of their club which right now Marc is against.

But if you look at the situation between the two sides objectively, Marc has more right than the club, who treated him like garbage since May while wanting his help at the same time.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
We’re not going to sue him lol or terminate his contract.

Unless the club have evidence of the man doing lines of coke at a nightclub they have no grounds for it.

At most they will strip him of his captaincy and force him to leave on a permanent deal in January if he want to play and be Germany’s no 1 at the WC.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
That's the case if club has all the leverage. But if you are broke as Barca is and are having issues registering players, maybe the best approach would not be to resort to smearing trough the media?

They will find a way to register them regardless.

It’s just that this option was the easiest when it became seemingly available.

You don’t think the club have any leverage? I guess it all depends on whether ter Stegen cares or is desperate to start for Germany or not as he has suggested in the past.

Nagelsmann has said publicly that he needs to play to be the #1 and if that the case the club can essentially end his dream by not letting him leave in January unless its on their terms.

Wouldn’t it then be in his interest to play nice and find common ground to leave.
 

serghei

Senior Member
The judge himself said we won the Olmo case due to mistakes in La Liga papers, otherwise they would have won it. It was literally Tebas incompetence that saved us.

La liga has changed the rules, and we could re-register players again afaik, the problem is still the vip seats. It is the club waiting for it to be approved by current auditor. I is dependent on the timing of that process. If it happens before the September 1 deadline, we should be able to register "most" if not all the players, if not then they are banking on it to be approved between September and January

If we are over the salary cap regardless, then we are far more fucked, it means the club is banking on January sale to register all players fully, and we will have another fiasco in January.
We need to sort our shit right now, and leave the midseason drama. It benefit literally no one.

Let's just wait a bit. We always escaped one way or another and registered everyone.

How can we leave the midseason drama?

Not improving the squad at all is not an option.

We forget about what this club's main objective is. Which is deliver great football and win titles.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
They will find a way to register them regardless.

It’s just that this option was the easiest when it became seemingly available.

You don’t think the club have any leverage? I guess it all depends on whether ter Stegen cares or is desperate to start for Germany or not as he has suggested in the past.

Nagelsmann has said publicly that he needs to play to be the #1 and if that the case the club can essentially end his dream by not letting him leave in January unless its on their terms.

Wouldn’t it then be in his interest to play nice and find common ground to leave.

Nagelsmann will tell all his players to go and play, but at the end I doubt it will matter that much, Marc is still better than any German GK not named Neuer and when it is decision time, he won't care that much about him being on the bench for Barca, veteran GK can usually keep form in such circumstances.

There is also a question on Marc motivation and priority, it might be personal or financial gain that is priority for him, far more than a World Cup appearance.

It isn't like the club will stop him from leaving when he wants it. He knows the club wants him out more than he does, so yes the leverage isn't there that much.

PS: I feel there are missing detail for the story, and I suspect about the injury itself, it seems it is the same back injury he had back in 2023 and he might feel the club handled it badly and there is some resentment in that front. And generally, before the change of the training staff it seems many players had this issue with us
 

serghei

Senior Member
He has leverage. It's mostly about money in the end. It's the same old problem as with Umtiti. Didn't we pay out most of his contract to get rid of him?
 

awardTour

New member
He has leverage. It's about money in the end. It's the same old problem as with Umtiti. Didn't we pay out most of his contract to get rid of him?
Amount wasn't disclosed, but yes, it was terminated with some sort of pay out.
It should be noted that Umtiti's base salary was 3x as much as ter Stegan's. As far as I know, ter Stegan made somewhere around 12m which obviously wasn't nowhere near the highest at the club nor the first or second highest paid keeper in Europe.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
Wrong, the burden will be on the club to prove they have a reason to force someone to break his own right for his own medical data privacy. Saying "hi, we are spending more than we are allowed, but we can register player using this information, why isn't he helping" won't make a case in court.

Not at all. You are off here

Stegen is contracted with the club, and his medical information is part of his ability or inability to play games, which is what his contract is about.
Refusal to share this information with THE CLUB HE IS CONTRACTED with yields legal ground for all sorts of infringements against the interests of the club

PS: AGAIN
Nowadays we sign these kinds of forms for every little thing.
It's a protection against someone SPREADING your personal info publicly.
Has nothing to to with your employer knowing the condition of your body, which is the tool you offer him as part of your job
 

Gnidrologist

Senior Member
Didn't read all the last pages of this thread, but what is his legal/contractual status, if he does this shit? Is he officially injured or not? If not, then force him git on training ground to run up and down the field. If he's injured then, where's the proof, bitch? For my point of view, his ass should be fired, as he basically refuses to work and wont present a valid excuse.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
I don't see how a professional players medical paper is a privacy issue, he's paid millions primarily to be healthy and available, if anything impacts that, the club should have the right to know.

But that's just me speaking without any legal background
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
Not at all. You are off here

Stegen is contracted with the club, and his medical information is part of his ability or inability to play games, which is what his contract is about.
Refusal to share this information with THE CLUB HE IS CONTRACTED with yields legal ground for all sorts of infringements against the interests of the club

What is the fuck are you talking about? :ROFLMAO: Ter Stegen is sharing the information with the Club, he isn't consenting the club sharing it to a 3rd party which is La Liga. And he is absolutely entitled to that by the law, hence why the club is requesting it and not doing it alone. Trying to force someone to waive his rights isn't within the club
 

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