Hans-Dieter Flick

[JamDav1982]

Araujo defending like an amateur against Inter is not down to Flicks tactics leaving him exposed.

Both were bog standard situations for a defender Araujo couldnt deal with.

Same with the two goals Araujo sold v Dortmund.. again just basic defending.

Same with Inigos slip v Inter.

Goals that come from the chaos of the high line can be but not the majority of those defensive fuck ups in CL, It was players failing at the basics of their jobs for a lot of the actual goals.

 

[jamrock]

PS the fact that flick values Garcia passing more than Christensen defending, is a flick problem.

I have no issues with him benching Araujo a player I like

I have no issues with him placing Garcia at RB over kounde another player I like given his slow start to the season.

But no self respecting coach who values defending is going to look at Garcia and say yes you are my CB to play along side Cubarsi, when Christensen has been class for us when fit, class for Chelsea and this season has played well for Denmark in multi games.

He's short, slow & weak, not the qualities you need for a CB

Garcia Cubarsi Christensen Balde should be our starting defense until kounde inevitably finds form & pushes Garcia out.

 

[serghei]

Both are true. We have individually weak defenders and Flick himself is a manager with questionable ideas in the defensive area at best. Add these two together and you get a deadly mix.

 

[JamDav1982]

Dont really understand why Kounde hasnt been tried at CB.

He is an average at best RB who is not great 1v1 or on ball when pressed and teams are targetting both.

Seems to have tried just about everything else.

 

[serghei]

Any of the two would improve things but Flick is stubborn and won't adjust, and the economic situation means you can't throw 150m at the defensive problems and make them disappear.

Flick does make defensive problems worse. As a manager he is a defender's nightmare and all attackers love him. He is like that, you can't make him more balanced.

 

[JamDav1982]

Any of the two would improve things but Flick is stubborn and won't adjust, and the economic problems means you can't throw 150m at the defensive problems and make them disappear.

No team has managed that either really at CB.

 

[jamrock]

Any of the two would improve things but Flick is stubborn and won't adjust, and the economic situation means you can't throw 150m at the defensive problems and make them disappear.

Flick does make defensive problems worse. As a manager he is a defender's nightmare and all attackers love him. He is like that, you can't make him more balanced.

The second sentence is what I've been saying and have come to accept, that's just his nature, he's had 3 jobs and they all have a few things in common

High octane attacking football and leaky defense's.

Just accept it and stop whining about CBs who would make a difference, they won't.

If anyone doesn't believe that, ask themselves why does he start Garcia over Christensen, because Garcia slightly better on the offensive side of the ball, & that's what he cares about more, the ability to out score not stop goals from going in, that's the keepers job in his system.

Just be more aware when we are head in big games and we'll be fine.

 

[serghei]

On the other hand, only an unbalanced manager who is a bit crazy and obssessed aboust attacking football would have been able to get so many goals from this squad as Flick did last season.

 

[JamDav1982]

There is a difference in defence exposed to the tactics and basic errors and although they are exposed there are also a lot of individual errors within that.

See Araujo v Dortmund and Inter.

That was not on the tactics that is basic defending 101 and what Araujo despite his obvious weaknesses should be stronger at.

 

[serghei]

The second sentence is what I've been saying and have come to accept, that's just his nature, he's had 3 jobs and they all have a few things in common

High octane attacking football and leaky defense's.

Just accept it and stop whining about CBs who would make a difference, they won't.

If anyone doesn't believe that, ask themselves why does he start Garcia over Christensen, because Garcia slightly better on the offensive side of the ball, & that's what he cares about more, the ability to out score not stop goals from going in, that's the keepers job in his system.

Just be more aware when we are head in big games and we'll be fine.

I agree with some of your claims, but not all. Better players always make a difference. Always. They take in more risk than lesser players and impact the game individually.

 

[JamDav1982]

Of course CBs make a difference or folk wouldnt even be debating who starts of the players have.

The defence is being left exposed though at times too often.

Poor giveaways far too often on front of them.

 

[serghei]

Our defenders are not that great even in peak form. Imagine them in a bad period.

 

[JamDav1982]

Our defenders are not that great even in peak form. Imagine them in a bad period.

They are not that bad either individually.

I dont think bar Arsenal any team have a top group of CBs.

PSG maybe but hard to tell as so difficult to get at them.

 

[jamrock]

I agree with some of your claims, but not all. Better players always make a difference. Always. They take in more risk than lesser players and impact the game individually.

Better players make a difference sure, in the right setup, we've seen good players look poor in one system & great in another.

Flick system leaves defenders exposed like no other I've ever seen.

We talk about the araujo error, won't go back into that, but my post then with the edited screen shot back then, shows how if we were simply positioned better as a team, then he wouldn't have be placed in that position, he fucked up yes, but if the tactics were better he wouldn't have gotten the opportunity to fuck up.

Better players make a difference I agree, which is why I said we needed a keeper as the main target to improve this team, but with flick we've seen him with better defenders the result was basically the same around 3 teams now

 

[JamDav1982]

The Araujo errors are basic defending...any of them

No matter how it got to that point.