Hans-Dieter Flick

[FinBarcelonafan]

Lots of variables this season.
1. Team looks complacent at times during games. We start with enthusiasm but continue by acting arrogant - see Pedri strolling around casually losing the ball or Yamal acting like he completed football
2. Don't know if it's about injuries, but we look bad at both ends. Granted our main weapon from last season - the attack, has been hit the worst by injuries
3. Teams seem to have figured out our tactics and offside trap is mostly useless
4. No new blood in defense. Lost a starting CB and the ones we have look like clowns.
5. Flick didn't change anything from last season

Yeah, we went from super hungry team to believing we are hot shit, when in reality all our success came from relentless pressing and insanely hard working attitude. Now we think we can dance around and win games by pure skill and just by showing up for few minutes. Our egos got way too inflated and the work rate dropped significantly.

 

[jamrock]

Relax he has injuries and the players are tired, but we'll turn it around.

Fans have been whining about his defense with Bayern, Germany and now Barca he won't change & better CBs won't improve the situation.

We just need to caught our 2nd wind soon

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Relax he has injuries and the players are tired, but we'll turn it around.

Fans have been whining about his defense with Bayern, Germany and now Barca he won't change & better CBs won't improve the situation.

We just need to caught our 2nd wind soon

Hopefully we are peaking after January. That's the only hope here. Like PSG last year.

The problem is we look completely gassed every game.

 

[draconifire]

Lots of variables this season.
1. Team looks complacent at times during games. We start with enthusiasm but continue by acting arrogant - see Pedri strolling around casually losing the ball or Yamal acting like he completed football
2. Don't know if it's about injuries, but we look bad at both ends. Granted our main weapon from last season - the attack, has been hit the worst by injuries
3. Teams seem to have figured out our tactics and offside trap is mostly useless
4. No new blood in defense. Lost a starting CB and the ones we have look like clowns.
5. Flick didn't change anything from last season

1 - I agree. Maybe its complacency or its caused because of fatigue. Both can be attributed to Flick.
2 - Our defence relies on us pressing like a mad dog. And the first point stand here too.
3 - Team figured out last season too, but we steamrolled them through our attack and pressing. Its a simple tool, but an effective one. This year, either complacency or fatigue has hindered us doing the same. So we look worse.
4 - True.
5- With the personnel we have. I belive this is one of the only ways to play. Or else it will be Xaviball 2022. And our front-line bar Yamal, isn't good enough for us to outscore the opponent.

 

[Don Juan Laporta Estruch]

Our key players are shit, only Yamal would start for PSG.

And our starters wouldn't even be Lucho's first subs let that sink in.

I just learnt that a side effect of 5g Wifi is it turns people into a cuck 🍆 .


You obviously need a new EMF Blocker Necklace and aluminium foil protection.

 

[khaled_a_d]

@jamrock

I addressed the CB problem dozens of times, I don't see every notification and not sure about the part I didn't respond, but here we go.

I never accused Flick of being a good defensive coach btw, he defends mainly by pressing and then relying on offside trap + defenders talents. I said several times that this makes him in need of even better defenders of a regular coach. He is who he is. And he us likely the best we can get.

Bayern defense was shit btw, they weren't tailor made for him. Finished Boateng, Alba who are forced into CB (the position he always hated) and he is nothing more than a solid starter there. Kimmich who is a midfielder and Davies who is an athletic freak but was never the best defender. Other than Davies, which one of those you see as world class defender?

But more importantly, what is the solid defense you need? As JJ Redick says in Basketball, you don't need the best defense to win, but you need a defense that can make a stop when it matters. A one that doesn't lose you games.

This is where Barca lack in comparison to Bayern 2020. While they were average defense at best, when they locked in they could manage to get the stops they needed. They conceded 3 goals in 5 knockout games. 2 of them were meaningless goals against Barca, 1 meaningless goal against Chelsea.

The 39 goals conceded at Bayern isn't the "got you" number as you think. It is a mute irrelevant number, just like no one cares what is the number we conceded in total in our league winning seasons. Barca wasn't the best defense even when they had the likes of Pique, Puyol,Marquez etc. No one accused them of being bad defenders, no one accused coaches of being bad defensive coaches. Because when needed, all stepped up levels.

Same with current CB at PSG, they aren't some gods that no one can beat, but again capable of at least not being a vulnerability.

Current Barca doesn't have that, in most cases, we crumbled when we needed them, despite rest of the team stepping up.

 

[Nello]

@jamrock

I addressed the CB problem dozens of times, I don't see every notification and not sure about the part I didn't respond, but here we go.

I never accused Flick of being a good defensive coach btw, he defends mainly by pressing and then relying on offside trap + defenders talents. I said several times that this makes him in need of even better defenders of a regular coach. He is who he is. And he us likely the best we can get.

Bayern defense was shit btw, they weren't tailor made for him. Finished Boateng, Alba who are forced into CB (the position he always hated) and he is nothing more than a solid starter there. Kimmich who is a midfielder and Davies who is an athletic freak but was never the best defender. Other than Davies, which one of those you see as world class defender?

But more importantly, what is the solid defense you need? As JJ Redick says in Basketball, you don't need the best defense to win, but you need a defense that can make a stop when it matters. A one that doesn't lose you games.

This is where Barca lack in comparison to Bayern 2020. While they were average defense at best, when they locked in they could manage to get the stops they needed. They conceded 3 goals in 5 knockout games. 2 of them were meaningless goals against Barca, 1 meaningless goal against Chelsea.

The 39 goals conceded at Bayern isn't the "got you" number as you think. It is a mute irrelevant number, just like no one cares what is the number we conceded in total in our league winning seasons. Barca wasn't the best defense even when they had the likes of Pique, Puyol,Marquez etc. No one accused them of being bad defenders, no one accused coaches of being bad defensive coaches. Because when needed, all stepped up levels.

Same with current CB at PSG, they aren't some gods that no one can beat, but again capable of at least not being a vulnerability.

Current Barca doesn't have that, in most cases, we crumbled when we needed them, despite rest of the team stepping up.

Most CL winning sides has had exactly that, good defensive players that step up when needed.
For us it's been the opposite, with even our suppodsedly best defender, Araujo, making costly mistakes when need and the likes of Cubarsí being way too passive in important moments against Inter.

And if we're to stand any chance of a CL this year, we'll need a healthy Garcia in goal to pull off an extraordinary save or two surely.

 

[jamrock]

@jamrock

I addressed the CB problem dozens of times, I don't see every notification and not sure about the part I didn't respond, but here we go.

I never accused Flick of being a good defensive coach btw, he defends mainly by pressing and then relying on offside trap + defenders talents. I said several times that this makes him in need of even better defenders of a regular coach. He is who he is. And he us likely the best we can get.

Bayern defense was shit btw, they weren't tailor made for him. Finished Boateng, Alba who are forced into CB (the position he always hated) and he is nothing more than a solid starter there. Kimmich who is a midfielder and Davies who is an athletic freak but was never the best defender. Other than Davies, which one of those you see as world class defender?

But more importantly, what is the solid defense you need? As JJ Redick says in Basketball, you don't need the best defense to win, but you need a defense that can make a stop when it matters. A one that doesn't lose you games.

This is where Barca lack in comparison to Bayern 2020. While they were average defense at best, when they locked in they could manage to get the stops they needed. They conceded 3 goals in 5 knockout games. 2 of them were meaningless goals against Barca, 1 meaningless goal against Chelsea.

The 39 goals conceded at Bayern isn't the "got you" number as you think. It is a mute irrelevant number, just like no one cares what is the number we conceded in total in our league winning seasons. Barca wasn't the best defense even when they had the likes of Pique, Puyol,Marquez etc. No one accused them of being bad defenders, no one accused coaches of being bad defensive coaches. Because when needed, all stepped up levels.

Same with current CB at PSG, they aren't some gods that no one can beat, but again capable of at least not being a vulnerability.

Current Barca doesn't have that, in most cases, we crumbled when we needed them, despite rest of the team stepping up.

At no point did I say you said he was a good defensive manager, so that calcification wasn't needed.

I said you claimed he needed a certain profile of defenders to make his system work, he has those defenders at Bayern & keeper and it didn't work.

I won't address your point about Alaba & davis etc because that's complete nonsense, they were all great defenders & players that fix exactly the profile you said we needed under flick and the record speaks for itself.

All those teams don't have great defenses or better CBs like YOU claimed PSG has, what they have are managers that understand that you can't leave your defenders hopelessly exposed consistently and except to win at the highest level

Even in the final he actually won, it was his goat keeper that gave him the W.

Which as been my point from day one. What you are basically saying is he needs the best defenders in the world 1 of 1 to make his system work

You said its personel, when he has the required personnel he still conceded for fun in every job he's had, so clearly the issue is a systemic issue.

But at least you tried to reply, it was wrong but I give you credit for the attempt.

PS you were the one telling us PSG knows the value of having a GREAT defense duo,. So don't come walking that back now,. Talking about they just know when to not be vulnerable

 

[jamrock]

Most CL winning sides has had exactly that, good defensive players that step up when needed.
For us it's been the opposite, with even our suppodsedly best defender, Araujo, making costly mistakes when need and the likes of Cubarsí being way too passive in important moments against Inter.

And if we're to stand any chance of a CL this year, we'll need a healthy Garcia in goal to pull off an extraordinary save or two surely.

Our defenders and keepers did more than enough stepping up in the CL last season, but no defender outside of flicks system is asked to do it 10x times per game, with half the field behind them.

No your attempted point is mute.

 

[JamDav1982]

Araujo alone defended like an amatuer for 4 goals across the away games in Dortmund and Inter.

Scez rushed off line for a penalty v Dortmund.

Cubarsi red card v Benfica

Cubarsi penalty v Inter.

Inigo slipping for first Inter goal at home.

The defence was a shambles in CL and Scez barely saved anything after playing well away to Benfica it felt like.

 

[Nello]

Araujo alone defended like an amatuer for 4 goals across the away games in Dortmund and Inter.

Scez rushed off line for a penalty v Dortmund.

Cubarsi red card v Benfica

Cubarsi penalty v Inter.

Inigo slipping for first Inter goal at home.

The defence was a shambles in CL and Scez barely saved anything after playing well away to Benfica it felt like.

It's why García is such a breath of fresh air. He's already delivered a handful of standout saves that saved us points and seems really solid generally so far. Can't really say the same for any of our back four. A high line and Flicks tactics isn't the reason why Eric commited a clumsy penalty as late as yesterday.

 

[jamrock]

A keeper is indeed the key to flicks defense, the club & him identified the right issue this summer.

A GK that can make saves not CBs, because that's a hopeless situation with his tactics.

Damn. Near every team no matter how poor they are can get at least two clean cut chance against us., need a keeper to make those saves

 

[JamDav1982]

Araujo defending like an amateur against Inter is not down to Flicks tactics leaving him exposed.

Both were bog standard situations for a defender Araujo couldnt deal with.

Same with the two goals Araujo sold v Dortmund.. again just basic defending.

Same with Inigos slip v Inter.

Goals that come from the chaos of the high line can be but not the majority of those defensive fuck ups in CL, It was players failing at the basics of their jobs for a lot of the actual goals.

 

[jamrock]

PS the fact that flick values Garcia passing more than Christensen defending, is a flick problem.

I have no issues with him benching Araujo a player I like

I have no issues with him placing Garcia at RB over kounde another player I like given his slow start to the season.

But no self respecting coach who values defending is going to look at Garcia and say yes you are my CB to play along side Cubarsi, when Christensen has been class for us when fit, class for Chelsea and this season has played well for Denmark in multi games.

He's short, slow & weak, not the qualities you need for a CB

Garcia Cubarsi Christensen Balde should be our starting defense until kounde inevitably finds form & pushes Garcia out.

 

[serghei]

Both are true. We have individually weak defenders and Flick himself is a manager with questionable ideas in the defensive area at best. Add these two together and you get a deadly mix.