Hans-Dieter Flick

[Birdy]

Can't believe the fuck I am reading here.
Revisionism at its best!

'Xavi or Flick does not make any difference'
You can't be so stupid really

Xavi was a tactically inept dude who never understood the transition from tactical ideas to actual tactics.
He created rigid systems of play that would see us being unable to break down even the lowest fodder LL teams
I am not even talking about being schooled by all kinds of managers in Europe

Flick is arguably top5 coach in the world, not only because of the entertaining football but because he is also effective. He swept all domestic titles last season and reached CL semis with a squad that was nowhere close that under any other manager

Of course there are other great teams, and last season one could say PSG, Pool, maybe Arsenal were better than us, and I accept that. But being the 4th best team in Europe with such squad difference from the others is a huge achievement

PS: Stop blaming Flick you revisionist morons and look at the real cause of the last results. Cubarsi himself told everyone "we are not pressing, we have become complacent"
Wake up

 

[jamrock]

Can't believe the fuck I am reading here.
Revisionism at its best!

'Xavi or Flick does not make any difference'
You can't be so stupid really

Xavi was a tactically inept dude who never understood the transition from tactical ideas to actual tactics.
He created rigid systems of play that would see us being unable to break down even the lowest fodder LL teams
I am not even talking about being schooled by all kinds of managers in Europe

Flick is arguably top5 coach in the world, not only because of the entertaining football but because he is also effective. He swept all domestic titles last season and reached CL semis with a squad that was nowhere close that under any other manager

Of course there are other great teams, and last season one could say PSG, Pool, maybe Arsenal were better than us, and I accept that. But being the 4th best team in Europe with such squad difference from the others is a huge achievement

PS: Stop blaming Flick you revisionist morons and look at the real cause of the last results. Cubarsi himself told everyone "we are not pressing, we have become complacent"
Wake up

It was too easy for me not to.

 

[Maradona37]

Kroos' take on Flickball:

🚨🗣️ Toni Kroos: "Barcelona have one of the most attractive styles, if not the most attractive in all of Europe, but I think they take too many risks."

"On a bad day for Pedri or Lamine or Raphinha, any team can hurt them and beat them, you can knock them out of the Champions League. That happened last season against Inter, and this season, they will come up against a team of that type that knocks them out."

"Starting from the seventy-fifth minute you notice that everyone is more fatigued, and you see them not changing their style to close the spaces. If you're tired and don't change your way of playing, it becomes very obvious how exposed you are."

Thoughts?

That's partly what I was saying about distances being too big, though it seemed true earlier in the games too. But in some games that I saw it did become worse as they fatigued.

It's not really Flick's fault per se - it's just the way he plays. Not really a defect in him as a coach, he just keeps to his principles.

But that was especially true against Inter. Barca could have closed up after they went ahead in the tie. But maybe they didn't feel they could defend the lead? Barca have never been a 'close a game down' type of team, and Flick doesn't play like that, and I guess they would say why should they when they're so good at attacking in general? But it has cost them on a few occasions and none more so than that Inter game.

 

[Don Juan Laporta Estruch]

Kroos' take on Flickball:

🚨🗣️ Toni Kroos: "Barcelona have one of the most attractive styles, if not the most attractive in all of Europe, but I think they take too many risks."

"On a bad day for Pedri or Lamine or Raphinha, any team can hurt them and beat them, you can knock them out of the Champions League. That happened last season against Inter, and this season, they will come up against a team of that type that knocks them out."

"Starting from the seventy-fifth minute you notice that everyone is more fatigued, and you see them not changing their style to close the spaces. If you're tired and don't change your way of playing, it becomes very obvious how exposed you are."

Thoughts?

That Madridista needs to keep my beautiful club's name out of his Goddamn mouth.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Kroos' take on Flickball:

🚨🗣️ Toni Kroos: "Barcelona have one of the most attractive styles, if not the most attractive in all of Europe, but I think they take too many risks."

"On a bad day for Pedri or Lamine or Raphinha, any team can hurt them and beat them, you can knock them out of the Champions League. That happened last season against Inter, and this season, they will come up against a team of that type that knocks them out."

"Starting from the seventy-fifth minute you notice that everyone is more fatigued, and you see them not changing their style to close the spaces. If you're tired and don't change your way of playing, it becomes very obvious how exposed you are."

Thoughts?

He isn't wrong and fatigue is definitely an issue

 

[serghei]

Can't believe the fuck I am reading here.
Revisionism at its best!

'Xavi or Flick does not make any difference'
You can't be so stupid really

Xavi was a tactically inept dude who never understood the transition from tactical ideas to actual tactics.
He created rigid systems of play that would see us being unable to break down even the lowest fodder LL teams
I am not even talking about being schooled by all kinds of managers in Europe

Flick is arguably top5 coach in the world, not only because of the entertaining football but because he is also effective. He swept all domestic titles last season and reached CL semis with a squad that was nowhere close that under any other manager

Of course there are other great teams, and last season one could say PSG, Pool, maybe Arsenal were better than us, and I accept that. But being the 4th best team in Europe with such squad difference from the others is a huge achievement

PS: Stop blaming Flick you revisionist morons and look at the real cause of the last results. Cubarsi himself told everyone "we are not pressing, we have become complacent"
Wake up

You must have some selective understanding capabilities. Xavi won a league title also, and failed in similar fashion vs Inter, PSG caliber teams, and with a weaker, more inexperienced squad.

Results are not that different. One big title each, CL results are good vs smaller level teams but not impressive enough vs bigger sides. 1 notable win each vs top 6 teams, Xavi 3-2 vs PSG, Flick 4-1 vs Bayern in Europe.

We are yet to see serious improvements and gain consistency vs bigger level teams. Failed in 3 games vs top rated opponents.

 

[BJJ]

Flick is going to have to do something cause the whole squad is looking lackadaisical and it's not even November.
For me the biggest issue is the lack of leaders. Raphinha is the only guy with grit and grunt. The defence has no leadership. Last season Inigo filled the gap but Araujo, Cubarsi and Christensen are not leaders in any sense of the word.

 

[BJJ]

You must have some selective understanding capabilities. Xavi won a league title also, and failed in similar fashion vs Inter, PSG caliber teams, and with a weaker, more inexperienced squad.

Results are not that different. One big title each, CL results are good vs smaller level teams but not impressive enough vs bigger sides. 1 notable win each vs top 6 teams, Xavi 3-2 vs PSG, Flick 4-1 vs Bayern in Europe.

What about all those wins against Madrid and even AM?
Also Xavi was given money to spend and really missed the target with some of his transfers nit to mention the humiliations in el, cl and against lower liga teams. He sucked. Didn't we spend 200 million plus only for Xavi to cry about not having enough talent ?? 🤣

And don't mention all the meltdowns je had. Cursing the players, refs and getting sent off. He couldn't handle the pressure. It's no surprise he hasn't got another job since he left us. His tactics ate shit and he can't handle pressure. I'd be surprised if a big club signs him.
He needs to reign his ego in and start at an Eibar or Celta Vigo.

 

[serghei]

What about all those wins against Madrid and even AM?
Also Xavi was given money to spend and really missed the target with some of his transfers nit to mention the humiliations in el, cl and against lower liga teams. He sucked. Didn't we spend 200 million plus only for Xavi to cry about not having enough talent ?? 🤣

Let's see them repeated. Xavi is 4-0 vs AM, 4 wins, zero losses, zero goals conceded in 2022-23, and 2023-24. Flick is 1 win, 2 draws, 1 loss. Xavi has superior results vs AM by far in 4 games. It's not linear.

He's actually 5-0 vs AM. Forgot about the 4-2 in 2021-22.

The money spent under Xavi is big part the reason Flick won 3 titles. If Flick had the team prior to 2022, he would have won nothing. It's almost guaranteed.

200m is nothing today in terms of building a top squad. We've been over these sily arguments before. They were sily 1-2 years ago and are just as sily now.

 

[serghei]

It's fine though, some important things changed for the better since Xavi in Flick's time, some didn't change much yet, some changed for the worse. You can't have everything. Overall, when you add all of it, Flick is worth it and an improvement. You don't have to be so sensitive about it or lie about it. Flick is top, and is doing what can be done in his way. As did Xavi.

Each had their own way of dealing with the issues of the club, while trying to make us winners again. Xavi was probably more affected because he loves the club so much and played in some of the best Barca sides of all time. Got really frustrated to see Madrid winning 2 CLs in 2.5 years under him. His pride couldn't take it and was too emotional about the entire situation.

 

[Loki]

Hansi Flick talked with all the players on Sunday and Monday before taking few days off until the upcoming Monday for personal reasons. The coach believes that beyond the physical strain of playing 7 matches in 21 days, the team needs a mental break. Flick sees this break as an opportunity to disconnect, reset, and return to full strength with the goal of facing the next games with strength and continuing to compete for all the titles at stake. Starting from Monday, he wants everyone focused and to have turned the page on this poor start to October. It's time to react and get back to winning ways. Via (): @martinezferran [md]

 

[serghei]

Good. Next month after the NT break is pretty important. Losing the Clasico puts Madrid at a serious advantage. Pressure is back on us after Sevilla. It is a very important match. We could bounce back and get a massive boost or we could go into a crisis.

Flick's record vs Madrid is amazing, he seems to match up well vs them, it's probably the most impressive thing in his time so far. This gives me hope we can win again.

 

[Porque]

Flick is so much better than Xavi that it shouldn't even be a comparison.

Xavi grinded out a league, Flick decimated the league.

Xavi got knocked out by Man United in the Europa League hinting at shenanigans for getting drawn against Man Utd. Flick was 60 seconds and a foul not being called away from the CL final.

Xavi got pumped 4-0 at home in the Copa Del Rey second leg. Flick won the Copa del Rey beating Madrid in the final which you chose to ignore.

This is all first full season stuff. Xavi had kid Lameen, but he also had the 200m spending surge and Balon d'Or winning attacking in his team.

Come on man.

As JamDav would say "Ooooooh Frenkie".

I mean

"Do Better"

 

[serghei]

Rubbish post. See we're back at trashing Xavi for some stupid arguments. Barcaforum's favorite sport.

That United we lost to I think finished 3rd in EPL that season.

Losing to Madrid 4-0 can happen. Madrid back then won CL in 2022, and won CL again in 2024, while we were rebuilding the team. We also won 4-0 ourselves on Bernabeu, conveniently ignored.

 

[Porque]

Nah. I see it more as we had a very bad week so let's run up some Xavi revisionism.

Do Frenkie.