Hans-Dieter Flick
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draconifire
NTC with a Positive attitude
Rayo was always suposed to be a difficult fixture. Shit pitch too. Glad no one got injured.
Its a good thing this happened start of the seaosn, so the players can reflect.
As I have said earlier, I hope Flick uses this first half of the seaon to rotate players and figure out the best posible backline. So we can keep the momentum towards the end of the season, with fresh legs. It only matters how we play the second half of the seaosn. Might aswell conserve energy.
Liked that he used a completely new backline. Also liked that he rotated out quite a few players.
Didnt like that Casado didnt get any minutes, as I would have wanted Pedri or FDJ subbed out.
Next couple of matches I want to see Yamal being subbed out, if Roony is registered. Or Raphinha playing his position.
All in all bad result. But all things considered, I think its fine. No injuries, players being rotated and getting used to play with each other.
PS: I dont care about the league this season, we have won plenty. What I want to see is us improving in CL. And for that we need fresh legs in March - April.
Its a good thing this happened start of the seaosn, so the players can reflect.
As I have said earlier, I hope Flick uses this first half of the seaon to rotate players and figure out the best posible backline. So we can keep the momentum towards the end of the season, with fresh legs. It only matters how we play the second half of the seaosn. Might aswell conserve energy.
Liked that he used a completely new backline. Also liked that he rotated out quite a few players.
Didnt like that Casado didnt get any minutes, as I would have wanted Pedri or FDJ subbed out.
Next couple of matches I want to see Yamal being subbed out, if Roony is registered. Or Raphinha playing his position.
All in all bad result. But all things considered, I think its fine. No injuries, players being rotated and getting used to play with each other.
PS: I dont care about the league this season, we have won plenty. What I want to see is us improving in CL. And for that we need fresh legs in March - April.
draconifire
NTC with a Positive attitude
All this signifies that our midfield being lethargic.
And honestly our press has been pretty shit since the start of the season. And Flick has been figuring out the backline.
The players need to step up their intensity.
jamrock
Senior Member
2019-2020 32
2020-2021 44
Goals conceded by Bayern in a 18 team league, with one of the best keepers ever, and players like davis, Alaba, boeteng, Hernandez* in defense.
Fast strong players and all the other characteristics you here he needs here to fix the defense.
Barca goals conceded 39.
I could add more but no need, the man system just leaves defendes exposed, accept it & move on, no magical defender will make it better.
2020-2021 44
Goals conceded by Bayern in a 18 team league, with one of the best keepers ever, and players like davis, Alaba, boeteng, Hernandez* in defense.
Fast strong players and all the other characteristics you here he needs here to fix the defense.
Barca goals conceded 39.
I could add more but no need, the man system just leaves defendes exposed, accept it & move on, no magical defender will make it better.
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Loki
Well-known member
A statistics that doesn't take into account neither that we're again the only team in LaLiga that played 3 times away, nor that we play a system that naturally gives away big chances, is absolutely useless. We don't win the first game, away at Rayo, one of the toughest teams in LaLiga to beat on their pitch and people already starting to post this kind of shit.
Muppets never change.
Jozh
Member
First of all, us being the only team in La Liga that played 3 times away is a terrible excuse to just allow the quality of chances we concede to be allowed. You don't go to an away ground knowing that the team will want to win and accept that the frequent and high quality amount of chances we give them is just to be "expected". Nonsense man, have standards. I get conceding one here and there, but we have allowed 12. Secondly, I'm so confused as to why us giving away so many big chances is acceptable and just seen as "just the way it is". That line of thinking is that in this system the only tradeoff for the attacking firepower to be at its best is to be crap at defending. "We attack the best when we neglect any sort of defensive solidity so therefore its justified". I've watched teams over the years have a good attack and a good defence, maybe not at the exact same level but it is obviously possible. Part of this is a squad building issue but you must adapt to your squad. I'm already posting this because it is a concerning trend, regardless of where we play and is something we have seen from last season, but just not as bad. Use your brain and contextualize why a stat as drastic as this would matter for a team like Barcelona for God sake.
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Jozh
Member
This response is incredibly asinine to me but you honestly don't see a problem with a system that "naturally gives away big chances" in a team with ONE good CB (always injured) who can both play highline and box defense? Especially in a team where the highline leader regardless of defending level was sold? In a season where teams have meticulously devised plans to get around our defensive "gotcha!"?
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Fati_Future_BallonDor
Well-known member
I'm starting to think the problem isn't even the players but the entire defensive system. Even with Van Dijk + Saliba we'd still suffer. Flick has to change something. This is a complete disaster. We can't just blame Inigo's departure – our defense was absolute crap even last season. These numbers are a real catastrophe.
It worked at Bayern though 😬
jairzinho
Senior Member
Not surprised by this given how Gung ho and suicidal we play at times. Rayo had loads of space anytime they were on the ball.
ToranagaSama
Active member
Athletic Bilbao 2nd fewest chances conceded and 3/3 wins. Nice. Maybe we should try to get their manager. 
draconifire
NTC with a Positive attitude
Yip. This is his system and its a heavy burden on the CBs
But I would disagree on one thing. I thnk a Inigo like defender, but faster and a bit taller, would easily shave of 3-5 goals from that tally. And then you add Big Joan to it, and he does the same. And we are far better than before. Most of the goals or chances, happen because of our highline, and a faster inigo "solves" that.
Just need that 1-2 crucial saves, that both need to pull of in some important matches and we are playing the finals of UCL.
jairzinho
Senior Member
I think Casado would have been a better option to pair with either of Pedri or Frenkie against Rayo since neither aren't necessarily good in duels. We couldn't match Rayo's intensity in midfield. There were lots of times where Frenkie and Pedri were both caught high up or just too weak leaving the defenders exposed.
jamrock
Senior Member
I agree that we need to sign a defender since we sold Martinez, I've said from minute one, if we keep what we have, their is no need for a CB signing, but if one goes, one should come in, and that won't happen now.
But what I've been trying to do these few months is temper the expectation of fans that a new CB or two is what will put us over the top.
Like I showed flick had the perfect defensive profile at CB and a goat keeper and still conceded goals and chances for fun in the Germany, it's not about the players, give him VVD and Ramos, the results would be the same.
To his credit the system workers, it was 3 minutes away from getting us to the final, and it's in those details the system fails and no player will make the difference, it's just about being situationally aware and not taking risk unnecessary risk from a winning position.
A top keeper is actually more important to flicks system and defensive issues than a Top CB.
You need a keeper who is clutch, Garcia showed yesterday what a difference that type of keeper makes.
But no defender we sign will stop us from conceding 35+ goals in the league.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Frenkie made 12 tackles/interceptions. That is more the double what Casado averaged last season.
Casado came off at HT as he was far far worse than Pedri or Frenkie here in the last game v inferior opposition.
Most of the joy Rayo had was pumping it long and over the midfield.
Their keeper was just leathering it up the park at any opportunity. The sad part is it worked.
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