European Super League

Messigician

Senior Member
MLS will continue to be irrelevant as long as they call football soccer.

NFL is mainly played with hands folks makes 0 sense to call it football
 

Porque

Senior Member
The new CL system seriously sucked. There's a [Very minor] chance Uefa concede and follow a system close to what the 15 founding members propose- or at the least give them automatic CL births and higher % of the turnover.

Not much time to negotiate though as it seems all this will go ahead next season/year.

With the Qatar world cup in December I assume it is a calculated risk that this Euro Super League could start in Jan 2022 and run till before the WC. It could even give the excuse for some boycotting of that event as a knock-on.

It's a slippery slope. Papa Perez better watch his back.
 
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Messigician

Senior Member
There is a huge amount of emotion surrounding discussion of all this. Entirely understandable too. But those running football don't think in terms of emotion. For them it is all about money. So looking at this from a purely financial perspective - as the characters involved in this upheaval will - how is this likely to play out?

Firstly, IMO, the breakaway clubs hold all the aces here. UEFA can ban these clubs all they like. But UEFA needs these elite clubs, and the elite clubs don't need them. Domestic leagues can impose bans and sanctions to make a point, but that would be suicidal. The PL stripped of the appeal of these six clubs is a crippled brand. If those six are excluded, just how much will broadcasters be prepared to pay for rights to cover the rest? How much sponsorship will be forthcoming? The simple reality is that the Premier League MUST reach an amicable settlement with the breakaway six. The alternative is a PL doomed to die by noble gesture.

Meanwhile, consider the options from the perspective of the breakaway clubs. If they're banned from domestic competitions the solution for them could hardly be more straightforward. Reformat the new competition to a full 38-game home-and-away season for the 20 clubs involved. Incorporate some element of cup football either in the form of a play-off format, or via a new dedicated cup competition. No shortage of lucrative fixtures to stream now.

And what if the players are banned from representing their national teams? Simple. The breakaway league sets up a new international tournament - they will have access to all the best players, after all. If UEFA and FIFA don't play along, it is they who will go the way of the dinosaurs, not the breakaway clubs.

Many of we fans who post on here view football in analog terms. We think of the beautiful game broadly as it has functioned for the last 100 years or more. But that financial model is extinct. Clubs can no longer survive based on matchday income. Football is consumed digitally now. Yes, I will attract ire for saying that - but it is the truth. The future for the elite football clubs revolves purely around digital income from global media rights. And from the merchandising and betting revenue streams arising from that. The kind of money brought in by those who attend matches on the day is close to irrelevant at this level. Many on here are saying they will no longer attend games because they don't approve of the new paradigm (fair enough). Others won't return because they've left this expensive weekend routine behind during the Covid reset. The reality is that these big clubs won't care about this. In a business model dominated by digital TV / streaming coverage, the role of the matchday crowd is to provide atmosphere and visual spectacle for the worldwide online audience. The clubs can afford to price the matchday seats to sell using dynamic algorithms like those used by no-frills airlines. And if those tickets are cheaper, perhaps afew younger (and more animated) fans will be able to afford the gig again ... win-win for the clubs.

Meanwhile, a huge new revenue stream arises for the clubs if they can sell football coverage via their own fan channels. Purists on Bluemoon may say NEVER, but a substantial new audience will be attracted to subscribe to a package which grants live access to ALL Barcelona matches for a full season (or whichever club they prefer). The clubs will make a killing from this. Sadly, how many fans of these six clubs sit through live TV coverage of matches such as Eibar vs Getafe which their expensive Sky / BT package currently foists upon them in place of the match they really want to see?

When you pause to consider the strong position that the breakaway clubs are in from a financial perspective, it becomes obvious that for all their posturing it is UEFA and the domestic leagues which will need to give ground if any kind of accord is to be negotiated. Being banned from the UCL at the semi-final stage is galling, but UEFA can only impose this sanction once. And it will be an act of gross financial self-harm if they go through with it. And given that UEFA has behaved so objectionably for so many years, I struggle to raise one iota of sympathy for their predicament now. Their appointment of the odious Tebag to a position of influence just this week shows that this toxic coven is not minded to change its ways any time soon. UEFA is a horrible governing body. The new incarnation can only be 'just as bad' at the very worst.

My expectation is that urgent and constructive peace talks must ensue. This breakaway represents an existential threat to domestic leagues generally (if these clubs are excluded), and to UEFA in particular. In public they may rant about how harshly they can punish and ostracise the breakaway elite clubs. But in private they must do whatever it takes to keep these clubs securely in the fold. Failure to do so dooms THEM to irrelevance, not the elite clubs. That is the stark reality.

I'm aware that this line of thinking isn't something that purists of a certain age want to contemplate. But it is the financial reality in this new digital age, and it is the distribution of monetary rewards which will ultimately decide the outcome of this. UEFA must offer big concessions to appease the elite clubs. And the domestic leagues will have no choice other than to back down or become a meaningless sideshow compared with what they once were.

We live in interesting times. But upsetting as all this is, I still want the best possible outcome for FCB. It's a it is what it is for me, whichever tournament they happen to be competing in. For as long as they play in Barcelona and retain the name I've always supported, count me in.
 

cro-man

Active member
Pretty sure that the situation may forced us and including many clubs to agree just to survive. Pretty sure it was just an idea at first but than covid fucked up everything.
 

Jadentheman

Active member
And? Sign them for what? For European MLS where no one relegates and you have an automatic place every year? And than, what is the point of european leagues anymore? Let's bplay 100 El Clasico games per year, because that surely will increase the stature of the game.

Casuals love the playstation FIFA/PES matchups. And guess who brings the most revenue to the clubs? Casuals. With emerging markets in North America and China, having a league that will be easy to access for matches while enabling team advertising is very big incentive. Easy to package, market and follow. Games should be balanced on paper. No more consistent 4-0, 5-0, 7-0 smashings like the domestic leagues and minnows. Close, intense matchups with all the international branded teams.
 

Morten

Senior Member
Perez :We are going to help football at all levels to take its rightful place in the world.

You can help by resigning as president of RM, i mean, what do you need that position for anyway, now that you are about to become "Chairman of the super league" and all?
 
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Richard.H

Senior Member
Casuals love the playstation FIFA/PES matchups. And guess who brings the most revenue to the clubs? Casuals. With emerging markets in North America and China, having a league that will be easy to access for matches while enabling team advertising is very big incentive. Easy to package, market and follow. Games should be balanced on paper. No more consistent 4-0, 5-0, 7-0 smashings like the domestic leagues and minnows. Close, intense matchups with all the international branded teams.

So basically this is all a consequence of globalization from how I am interpreting your reply
 

cro-man

Active member
Perez :We are going to help football at all levels to take its rightful place in the world.

You can help by resigning as president of RM, i mean, what do you need that position for anyway, now that you are about to become "Chairman of the super league" and all?

I swear the world is going crazy:lol:
 

Jadentheman

Active member
With european football in chaos, it's time for MLS to make a power play and become the NBA of soccer. :cheers:

MLS is this similar format with a salary cap and draft. Find a way to apply it to Euro teams and this will succeed. Even if a ton of people moan and groan they'll eventually tune in.

I am no way for or against this idea. I can see the positive and negatives of this league. But I can 100% say that if this does go through, the fallout won't be as bad as the barking about it. (Unless a major social media movement started against this)
 

Jadentheman

Active member
There is a huge amount of emotion surrounding discussion of all this. Entirely understandable too. But those running football don't think in terms of emotion. For them it is all about money. So looking at this from a purely financial perspective - as the characters involved in this upheaval will - how is this likely to play out?

Firstly, IMO, the breakaway clubs hold all the aces here. UEFA can ban these clubs all they like. But UEFA needs these elite clubs, and the elite clubs don't need them. Domestic leagues can impose bans and sanctions to make a point, but that would be suicidal. The PL stripped of the appeal of these six clubs is a crippled brand. If those six are excluded, just how much will broadcasters be prepared to pay for rights to cover the rest? How much sponsorship will be forthcoming? The simple reality is that the Premier League MUST reach an amicable settlement with the breakaway six. The alternative is a PL doomed to die by noble gesture.

Meanwhile, consider the options from the perspective of the breakaway clubs. If they're banned from domestic competitions the solution for them could hardly be more straightforward. Reformat the new competition to a full 38-game home-and-away season for the 20 clubs involved. Incorporate some element of cup football either in the form of a play-off format, or via a new dedicated cup competition. No shortage of lucrative fixtures to stream now.

And what if the players are banned from representing their national teams? Simple. The breakaway league sets up a new international tournament - they will have access to all the best players, after all. If UEFA and FIFA don't play along, it is they who will go the way of the dinosaurs, not the breakaway clubs.

Many of we fans who post on here view football in analog terms. We think of the beautiful game broadly as it has functioned for the last 100 years or more. But that financial model is extinct. Clubs can no longer survive based on matchday income. Football is consumed digitally now. Yes, I will attract ire for saying that - but it is the truth. The future for the elite football clubs revolves purely around digital income from global media rights. And from the merchandising and betting revenue streams arising from that. The kind of money brought in by those who attend matches on the day is close to irrelevant at this level. Many on here are saying they will no longer attend games because they don't approve of the new paradigm (fair enough). Others won't return because they've left this expensive weekend routine behind during the Covid reset. The reality is that these big clubs won't care about this. In a business model dominated by digital TV / streaming coverage, the role of the matchday crowd is to provide atmosphere and visual spectacle for the worldwide online audience. The clubs can afford to price the matchday seats to sell using dynamic algorithms like those used by no-frills airlines. And if those tickets are cheaper, perhaps afew younger (and more animated) fans will be able to afford the gig again ... win-win for the clubs.

Meanwhile, a huge new revenue stream arises for the clubs if they can sell football coverage via their own fan channels. Purists on Bluemoon may say NEVER, but a substantial new audience will be attracted to subscribe to a package which grants live access to ALL Barcelona matches for a full season (or whichever club they prefer). The clubs will make a killing from this. Sadly, how many fans of these six clubs sit through live TV coverage of matches such as Eibar vs Getafe which their expensive Sky / BT package currently foists upon them in place of the match they really want to see?

When you pause to consider the strong position that the breakaway clubs are in from a financial perspective, it becomes obvious that for all their posturing it is UEFA and the domestic leagues which will need to give ground if any kind of accord is to be negotiated. Being banned from the UCL at the semi-final stage is galling, but UEFA can only impose this sanction once. And it will be an act of gross financial self-harm if they go through with it. And given that UEFA has behaved so objectionably for so many years, I struggle to raise one iota of sympathy for their predicament now. Their appointment of the odious Tebag to a position of influence just this week shows that this toxic coven is not minded to change its ways any time soon. UEFA is a horrible governing body. The new incarnation can only be 'just as bad' at the very worst.

My expectation is that urgent and constructive peace talks must ensue. This breakaway represents an existential threat to domestic leagues generally (if these clubs are excluded), and to UEFA in particular. In public they may rant about how harshly they can punish and ostracise the breakaway elite clubs. But in private they must do whatever it takes to keep these clubs securely in the fold. Failure to do so dooms THEM to irrelevance, not the elite clubs. That is the stark reality.

I'm aware that this line of thinking isn't something that purists of a certain age want to contemplate. But it is the financial reality in this new digital age, and it is the distribution of monetary rewards which will ultimately decide the outcome of this. UEFA must offer big concessions to appease the elite clubs. And the domestic leagues will have no choice other than to back down or become a meaningless sideshow compared with what they once were.

We live in interesting times. But upsetting as all this is, I still want the best possible outcome for FCB. It's a it is what it is for me, whichever tournament they happen to be competing in. For as long as they play in Barcelona and retain the name I've always supported, count me in.

I also want to follow up that the same people complaining about this also conviently ignore that some teams they support are getting that oil money or russian billionaire treatment. Of course no one here but I mean all over. Fans especially from Chelsea, PSG, and Man City shouldn't complaining. It's their owners entrance a decade ago that started the path to where we are at now.
 

Yannik

Senior Member
This will most certainly also result in major financial troubles for many clubs who are not part it.
 

Laplacian

Senior Member
Here's to hoping Boris Johnson forces the sale of these clubs to the British government. Top 6 about to become fan owned!
 

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