CL Round 5: Barca - Porto 2-1

[serghei]

Depends who is beaten.

Overperforming would be putting out a better side like City or Bayern, that would increase Xavi's Europe standing. Otherwise if we just beat fodder and lose to the first good opponent it doesn't mean much.

Ok. But you think a different manager would beat City or Bayern with this squad? Seriously?

I'd say a top manager doesn't even take the job if these are the targets to reach in CL.

 

[JamDav1982]

OK.

I can accept fans being ultra-demanding with a manager. Not realistic imo, since squad quality needs looking at before you can demand such ambitions, but hey, at least it's gonna be consistent.

Quality of squad is far above what has been shown this season and some of European results vs inferior sides.

 

[JamDav1982]

Ok. But you think a different manager would beat City or Bayern with this squad? Seriously?

You were claiming Bayern are over rated not long ago.

Why can Barca beat Real but not those two? they would be favs clearly but not unbeatable and not such a gap another himiliating loss where look miles off it would be acceptable.

This some mythical idea that all changes in CL?

 

[serghei]

You were claiming Bayern are over rated not long ago.

Why can Barca beat Real but not those two?

This some mythical idea that all changes in CL?

Barca isn't expected to beat Real Madrid in a high-pressure CL tie. Would be a huge surprise.

 

[ajnotkeith]

Ok. But you think a different manager would beat City or Bayern with this squad? Seriously?

I'd say a top manager doesn't even take the job if these are the targets to reach in CL.

Its not an expectation but it's not impossible at all either. These teams have regularly been put out by much weaker sides, they are knockouts, when teams like Barca and Bayern come together in a knockout tie the odds are much closer than you think.

I mean, cool, we can lose yet again, but would just continue the streak of us losing to every first top opponent in Europe when really should be winning at least a few of those ties.

 

[JamDav1982]

Barca isn't expected to beat Real Madrid in a high-pressure CL tie. Would be a huge surprise.

Ah here we go about 'high pressure'.

Nonsense. It doesnt work like thta and players shiting themselves as CL as much as you make out.

Barca have shown they can compete well with Real and that would be same if met in CL.

Why not more pressure on the team 'expected' to win as 'CL elite'?

Last thing Real would want is another defeat to Barca and in CL when they put so much on it.

 

[serghei]

Ah here we go about 'high pressure'.

Nonsense. It doesnt work like thta and players shiting themselves as CL as much as you make out.

It's completely true.

In a big CL tie, all teams play at 100% motivation. In a league game, not so much. Because the penalty for a shit game is much more severe in CL. One shit game in CL and you're out.

 

[ajnotkeith]

It's completely true.

In a big CL tie, all teams play at 100% motivation. In a league game, not so much. Because the penalty for a shit game is much more severe in CL. One shit game in CL and you're out.

Nah league 6 pointers between contenders are some of the highest pressure games around.

Take Clasico at home last season where the game was essentially deciding the title... We won with a last minute goal.

 

[JamDav1982]

It's completely true.

In a big CL tie, all teams play at 100% motivation. In a league game, not so much. Because the penalty for a shit game is much more severe in CL. One shit game in CL and you're out.

No it isnt it is guess work nonsense.

Here is the 'Real didnt try as hard last season'.. now adding Classicos to that argument.

Bellingham going to shite himself in Europe more than Gundo etc is he as a new pressure?

Real have in five attempts won past the quarter final once in five years and been out in last 16 twice. Where was the elite mentality then? They just not give '100%';?

 

[serghei]

Nah league 6 pointers between contenders are some of the highest pressure games around.

Take Clasico at home last season where the game was essentially deciding the title... We won with a last minute goal.

Nah.

Barca lost h2h vs Madrid in the league last season but won at 10 points difference vs Madrid.

Lost h2h in 2015 I think too, and won the league. Plenty of examples where the team winning the league is not necessarily the team that wins h2h vs the main rival.

 

[JamDav1982]

Nah.

Barca lost h2h vs Madrid in the league last season but won at 10 points difference vs Madrid.

That is irrelevant.. Barc were behind Real when lost away and not playing well.

Then went on run and beat Real at home while on that run when opening up league lead.

They also won more games between the two last season.

It was one win each in league.. the fact Real scored one more at home is irrelevant and not some huge loss on head to head.. Maybe they were just not 'motivated 100%' to beat Barca in 2nd game.

You make out Atletico are 'dark horses' for CL and Barca dont have a chance.

What makes Atletico more equipped when Barca have more CL winners etc?

 

[serghei]

Nothing, the bit about Atletico is based on some performances they had in CL against elite sides along the years under Simeone. Kicking Barca twice, kicking peak Liverpool, having City scared in 2021-22...

Atletico is not easy to play against.

 

[JamDav1982]

Nothing, the bit about Atletico is based on some performances they had in CL against elite sides along the years under Simeone. Kicking Barca twice, kicking peak Liverpool, having City scared in 2021-22...

Atletico is not easy to play against.

Atletico have not done anything in CL for years and Barc have more players experienced in winning it.

Now Atletico defeats get brought up....

If Atletico get 'City scared' but Barca have no chance..again shows the nonsense.

City were never 'scared' calma.

 

[serghei]

And obviously Simeone is a top 5 manager. He can always produce a big hit in CL.

 

[JamDav1982]

And obviously Simeone is a top 5 manager. He can always produce a big hit in CL.

Ok so their coach with far less to spend and inferior squad is the difference as to why think they are dark horses and Barca have no chance..