16 - Fermín López
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draconifire
NTC with a Positive attitude
I guess 40m is fine for Arda too. SInce he is a solid squad player with some contributions. Very similar situation to Fermins.
malvolio
Senior Member
Arda Guler is a better player, with more to his game than what Fermin provides.
He'll fetch a bigger transfer sum than Fermin and probably have a better footballing career.
draconifire
NTC with a Positive attitude
Doesn't matter. His logic was:
He is a squad player, with some contributions. Well, Arda is been in the team for the same time. Fermin has a lot more goals than him. Both are squad players. And both wont ever be a starter ahead of Olmo if fit, Rodrygo or Valverde, in at least the next 3 years.
So my point remains.
His another point of clutchness, regarding Rodrygo. That implies to Fermin too. Guy has scored simply more goals than Arda, and has scored quite a few clutch ones.
So if you have a problem with me evaluating Arda a 40m player. Take up with that guy, not me, I didn't make the rules.
serghei
Senior Member
That's what we require to sell a player we don't want to sell. A negligent offer from a club that can afford to be negligent because they're loaded. For us it makes no sense to sell Fermin for a fair price, say 45-50m. That's probably his level atm, I agree.
The only way to sell Fermin at this moment for 40-50m is if we already have a list of players who could be upgrades on him and would improve our squad, and all we lack is funds. Like PSG got Joao Neves for 60m. Or Pacho for 40m. If we have an eye on those type of potential upgrades, it makes sense to sell Fermin for closer to his actual value to get them. If not, we should keep him unless those clubs really want him badly and will fork more money.
Worst would be to sell Fermin for 40-45m and do nothing with the money. At this point, if the staff we have is as good as promised, we should have list of possible transfers for CB and fullback positions. Especially CB where the squad is lacking big time. Imo we lack not one, but 2 starting quality central defenders. Fast, athletic, strong, and ok on the ball. Just ok is fine, they don't have to be extremely talented in this area. Really bad to see Tottenham outclassing us on CB area. Romero and Van de Ven are much better than any pair we can form atm.
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Loki
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Let's see Guler against a strong physical team that isn't afraid to press and attack. Sure the boy has good skills on the ball, but he needs to prove it also under pressure. So far Madrid's start of the season was easy. The big games are coming soon for them as well and then we can discuss the topic again.
He has a great first touch, he plays well with his back to goal, he is good in tight spaces, he can play quick combination football, technically he has no problems at all, he makes excellent runs into the opponent’s box, he is very active and aggressive off the ball, he is physically well developed, meaning he can fight against big, muscular opponents, and he has a great shot with both his left and right foot. To those who think Fermin isn’t worth 70 million euros, I suggest you go to hell.
Maradona37
Well-known member
I might be underrating him.
To be fair with you, I am willing to change my opinion on him. I am open to doing that. I just feel like he isn't as good as some claim on here.
It's not a slagging of Barca as a whole as they have some quality players (in the context of modern football). I just feel he's one of the weaker players in the squad technically, though as I said he has other uses such as being able to get into the box etc (from what I have watched).
I will watch him closely when I watch barca (if he's still there and plays much) and maybe revise my opinion. Also, if you feel like it, you could try to present a compelling case on his strengths as a player which might convince me I am wrong.
Like I say, this is just my opinion. I don't think he's that special and think Barca have plenty of better players. But as I said earlier in the thread there seems to be a lack of number 10s and Olmo (a more talented player imo) is always injured so makes sense to keep Fermin as a body.
Guler is a better player than Cole Palmer too. In terms of technical,creative and potential aspects that internet fans seem to fawn over.
But in terms of total football package, athleticism, tenacity and mentality both are over Arda. We need to see if Arda is a fair weather pretty boy frontrunner or if he has grit to fulfil his potential.
Back to Fermin. 50 million euros is a good fee for him as of today and I have doubts of his long term future at the club. His characteristics could explode, but at the same times there's enough question marks on whether he has the possession, control and pausa for that to be at Barca.
Issue is squad needs his depth and that 50m won't go towards replacing him with a better talent. We will count on DRO, Onion or Toni instead. Which when Olmo goes down for his next 2 month injury I have doubts any can fill the void like Fermin did.
Which means either Raphi moves their further losing our control with 4 straight forwards, or Gavi goes there.
jamrock
Senior Member
Yea agreed on pretty much everything, I've maintained fermin is a 50-60m euros player in a regular market, if he's on a hot run when he gets sold, that adds another 5-10m.
But selling him right now will leave a huge hole in the squad because while dro and Toni might be more talented, they aren't ready right now imo, but then again they could surprise like he did, but I have serious doubts in flicks ability to both identify and develop talent.
If we sold him earlier, let's say after Martinez decided to leave and invested that money in a CB, I wouldn't be against that sale.
Don't see raphinha as a 10, at all, some it would have to be gavi when olmo picks up his inevitable injury.
jairzinho
Senior Member
Fermin is way ahead of Guler at this point in their respective careers. Iirc he was the tournament mpv at last year's Olympics aswell. Guler has talent but he hasn't done anything of note other than a few decent cameos here and there.
Maradona37
Well-known member
Disagree he's more technical than Palmer. I don't actually rate Guler that much.
But yes, your point that there's a lot more to it than technique is a fact.
But is he more technical than Palmers sister and the snake wrapped around her arm.
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