Maradona37
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Probably spreading salaries and amortising fees over really long contracts. They sell a lot too and loan youth players. Plus other very dodgy dealings.
16 - Fermín López
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malvolio
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He is an average player. If he were above average he would be a starter for us.
Just a jolly joker that is nice to have in the squad.
serghei
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EPL teams pay top money for many players who can be seen as average. Depending on what your comparison is. Since these EPL clubs can't afford to buy the best players in the world, they splash money at promising young players such as Fermin. That's pretty much what you do if you are Chelsea or Newcastle and you can't land someone like Pedri. Or Musiala. Or Joao Neves, or Vitinha, etc.
Maradona37
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Indeed, despicable opulence over there.
malvolio
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EPL clubs are paying good money for players that start for their clubs and are stars for their clubs. Not players who struggle to get games, even though they look promisinga and are at Barca or Real. Yes, they find out afterwards that those players are not good enough, but they don't pay top dollar for rotation players.
Are there any examples of players from big clubs that were kind of promising but only rotation/reserves and they fetched huge transfer sums?
People just look at money spent by EPL clubs and think that if they can spend insane amounts for some players they'll do it for our reserves also, just because.
serghei
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Eh, I think you need to check again the money they paid for some of their bench players. Or players that flopped.
They can't sign starters from the bigger clubs, so they focus on promising players that they can turn into starters. That is their typical road of action. Wether Fermin is deemed as having that potential is what will decide the sum they are willing to spend.
Chelsea spent a fortune for Mudryk who was far less proven compared to Fermin. Arsenal signed Madueke, a bench player st Chelsea.
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serghei
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40m is not worth it for us. We really don't have a dire need to sell a solid squad player.
A player who already has some contributions in CL later stages, Clasicos, he is worth more. Or shop elsewhere.
malvolio
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As I've said, what happened afterwards with the player is not something they have control over. They go for star players and pay good money for them, not bench players. If that said player flops is just you talking in hindsight and acting as if Fermin deserves 100M because Mudryk flopped.
Mudryk was a good prospect and star for his team. So the typical target for a big money transfer to EPL.
Madueke bench player? He started quite a lot and let's not forget the English player tax.
serghei
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No, I'm saying that if you want a player from Barcelona that the club rates, you pay up. They are supposed to be expensive because they are more proven at the top. Bacause Barca as a club was top 3 club last season and Fermin did well under those types of expectations and pressure.
It's a different transfer than signing talents from smaller seller clubs. That's why many teams in EPL don't even attempt. Guler for example would be very expensive to sign from Madrid even if he was a bench warmer.
You say English player tax. Well there's also big club tax. Big clubs don't want to sell their rated young players. They can sell though regardless if you sweeten the deal by adding more money. Say Barca rate players like Fermin and Ferran at 50m. Make it 70 and we can be tempted to sell. We don't have to. Why? Because we won 2 big titles in the last 3 seasons and we were close to a treble last year.
It's a different transfer than signing talents from smaller seller clubs. That's why many teams in EPL don't even attempt. Guler for example would be very expensive to sign from Madrid even if he was a bench warmer.
You say English player tax. Well there's also big club tax. Big clubs don't want to sell their rated young players. They can sell though regardless if you sweeten the deal by adding more money. Say Barca rate players like Fermin and Ferran at 50m. Make it 70 and we can be tempted to sell. We don't have to. Why? Because we won 2 big titles in the last 3 seasons and we were close to a treble last year.
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40M for a solid squad player with some contributions, emphasis on some, is a great deal. While finding a fool willing to splash 70M, would be absolutely spectacular. There is plenty of Fermin type of quality in La Masia.
For reference, Rodrygo goes far beyond just some contributions with being insanely clutch player in key moments of RM defining CL era, and Madrid has trouble finding buyers for a proper price.
Maradona37
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I rate him a bit more than mavolio, but any club who pays 70m Euros for Fermin Lopez is negligent. That's Man United levels of stupidity. Or Newcastle with this Woltemade fella.
Some people are even mentioning 100m which is la la land.
He has his uses but he's really not that good. He's just a serviceable, steady player. Some of you overrate him out of bias. If he played for Real Madrid no chance people on here would rate him. He's achieved precisely nothing in his career.
Maradona37
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It's not like I take pleasure in putting down players, especially Barca players on a Barca forum.
But there's a lot of bias to some of the lesser players in the Barca squad on here, just because they play for Barca. Flick's Barca haven't even beaten a strong team in the CL knockouts yet. The criteria by which serghei thinks clubs should overspend on players like Fermin (plays for a big club, is a squad member, Barca don't need to sell, is an international) is precisely why so many clubs find themselves in financial difficulty after buying players who fail big time - rating players based on irrelevant stuff like that, rather than just watching him and asking if his ability (and mentality) is worthy of the price. All that really matters is A) how good he is at football and B) if he is professional and has a good mentality. That's it.
There's way better players than him at smaller clubs than Barca. Him playing for Barca doesn't entitle him to be seen as a special footballer. Barca - and every big club - have had loads of average players play for them.
Fermin plays for Barca, has some uses as a player - but the black pill truth is that he just isn't anything special at football. I understand other very average players move for 70m, but that's no way to run a football club or expect a fee: 'Woltemade went for 70m so that means every single player at his level should too!'. Football just doesn't work like that. Some average players go for a fortune and others for a pittance.
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Go jerk off over state backed Mandril. Likes of you can't comprehend club playing best football in the world with more than half local players. Over 2 decades.
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