Hans-Dieter Flick

Hansi Flick - how do we rate him?


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jamrock

Senior Member
Largely agree with your post but he has massively improved Inigo, Raphinha, Ferran, FDJ.

All these players had talent and I'm not saying they were bums but Flick took them to a different level clearly.

Most fans would be perfectly fine with these players leaving before this season started and look at how well they're playing now.

Those fans are fools regarding two of those 4 lol.

But he's definitely improved players, but the making out of him being a miracle worker is nonsense.

Every single player in our starting XI has already won a major title, with the exception of Martinez.
 

serghei

Senior Member
No doubt Flick gets the most out of this squad, individually and collectively, quite obvious when compared to previous seasons when most if not all are playing on a higher level.

But cannot do that if the squad has no or little quality.

Very good players and what we really lack is depth.

An obvious point. That is how finances might fuck us in the end. Arrived at a border of a treble and having to rely on no names like Gerrard Martin. That and overplaying certain key players because our bench options are likes of Fati and Pau Victor.

The main players are all quality, the manager is quality obviously, depth is crap.
 

KingLeo10

Senior Member
An obvious point. That is how finances might fuck us in the end. Arrived at a border of a treble and having to rely on no names like Gerrard Martin. That and overplaying certain key players because our bench options are likes of Fati and Pau Victor.
Finances, and suicidal defensive tactics.

No excuse to be incompetent on every corner.

Argentina dealt with the Dutch, including Dumfries, just fine with an even shorter backline.
 

Horatio

You're welcome
Balde: literally playing in the exact same way he did when we won the league, EXACTLY.

Cubarsi: Generational thanks Xavi.

Martinez: always been a top defender in la Liga, Barca forum being fools last season doesn't change that.

Kounde: been highly rated since his Sevilla days, what are we even talking about with him seriously.

Pedri: everyone with two brain cells knows a fit pedri with 6 games under his belt, is the world class.

Olmo we saw what he could do at the euros.

Yamal:

Raphinha always been clutch for us, step it up this season.

Lewa, see post above.

That's our starting XI, could do the same for the entire squad.

Flick doing an incredible job, easily manager of the year and as I've said multiple times, this would probably be the best treble ever, but he's doing it with a very talented squad, that only real issue is a bit of depth at FB and DM.

This is just aftertiming to the 10th power.

If Xavi were still coach and the football had improved a little from previous season, this list would be a summation of everything wrong with every player, withholding xavi from achieving true greatness.
 

malvolio

Senior Member
What are you talking about? Our team is higher rated than Inter's. Shitting on the current players and making it seem that Flick is elevating some mediocrities is appalling and totally unfair to these players. Flick didn't create La Masia. He benefits hugely from it. The squad was progressing before Flick got here. Euro was won with a Barca core before Flick came on. Of course he is doing a great work, but let's not behave like the team is not filled with quality in every area.

Flick is quite similar to Pep. His football would not work at small clubs. He is a great manager that needs top players for his philosophy to work.
Barca core my ass. Aside from Pedri who got injured and Yamal, none of our players were that influential in the Euro win.

We're not counting lesbian Olmo as he wasn't our player back then.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Finances, and suicidal defensive tactics.

No excuse to be incompetent on every corner.

Argentina dealt with the Dutch, including Dumfries, just fine with an even shorter backline.

Of course, we are a deeply imperfect team. But so are others.

Flick overall is not to be touched despite us being bad on the defense. That's his system. We need to upgrade the squad in defense to help him out making this beautiful style lead to European glory.

Very disappointed in Araujo personally. Biggest disappointment is how he can't solidify a starting spot ahead of an old Inigo.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
Finances, and suicidal defensive tactics.

No excuse to be incompetent on every corner.

Argentina dealt with the Dutch, including Dumfries, just fine with an even shorter backline.

Being tactical inflexible, once he has an idea, he sticks without no matter how the evidence is telling him other wise
 

KingLeo10

Senior Member
Of course, we are a deeply imperfect team. But so are others.

Flick overall is not to be touched despite us being bad on the defense. That's his system. We need to upgrade the squad in defense to help him out making this beautiful style lead to European glory.

Very disappointed in Araujo personally. Biggest disappointment is how he can't solidify a starting spot ahead of an old Inigo.
Araujo getting bullied by Dumfries on that 3rd goal.

Sickening to watch. This was his chance to show what different he can offer.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Araujo getting bullied by Dumfries on that 3rd goal.

Sickening to watch. This was his chance to show what different he can offer.

He got fecked by Guirassy also. He's just someone who is supposed to add something and can't even rely him on dominating the box in the air most of the time. Completely embarassing from a so called captain with a leader mentality.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Inigo not being used to play these types of games was a problem also. Don't think Inter created too many chances from open play. In fact it is an evidence that Flick can only change and improve greatly the players that have the mental and technical qualities to follow him. The superior ones. Not all. The ones that can't cope need selling. There are not many.
 

Temptation

Well-known member
Most fans have no clue. Team lacks depth... let's sell more key players. :lol: Poor logic.
Those fans are fools regarding two of those 4 lol.
Sure but the point is him massively improving these players this season.

Finances, and suicidal defensive tactics.

No excuse to be incompetent on every corner.

Argentina dealt with the Dutch, including Dumfries, just fine with an even shorter backline.
Inter have taller, more physical players who are better in the air than Barca. Barca didn't have their strongest player in the air.

Argentina beating Netherlands on penalty shootouts has nothing to do with this. Club sides work on set pieces all season long with the best set piece coaches unlike in international football. While I remember Dumfries being pretty good against Argentina, he was on fire yesterday and at his very best. He was playing with teammates he has much better chemistry with.

Also the delivery from set pieces was great by Inter. That's one of the most important aspects which people forget about.

Flick has never been good at coaching defensive set pieces anyways.
 

KingLeo10

Senior Member
Sure but the point is him massively improving these players this season.


Inter have taller, more physical players who are better in the air than Barca. Barca didn't have their strongest player in the air.

Argentina beating Netherlands on penalty shootouts has nothing to do with this. Club sides work on set pieces all season long with the best set piece coaches unlike in international football. While I remember Dumfries being pretty good against Argentina, he was on fire yesterday and at his very best. He was playing with teammates he has much better chemistry with.

Also the delivery from set pieces was great by Inter. That's one of the most important aspects which people forget about.

Flick has never been good at coaching defensive set pieces anyways.
The Dutch have a lot of physical, tall players including 6’4 VVD and they didn’t win all the battles in the box all game vs midget Argies. Probably because the Argies were very organized and just had more fire in their belly compared to the likes of Araujo, Cubarsi, and Inigo.

I’m only talking about that aspect of the games to show the contrast.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Sure but the point is him massively improving these players this season.

A point I agree with and made myself many times. But you have to see that the players who have improved showed important things before Flick and give credit to the players in question because they obviously have top qualities. They are not ordinary players.

You are not seeing Araujo being good on the ball with Flick. If the player is limited the manager can't do much. If the player is great, then a manager like Flick will improve him.

That's how it goes. Top managers improve players but mostly the top ones. The ones that can't cope, are shipped out at big clubs.

That is why we moan the absence of Balde. There is nothing Flick can do to elevate Martin to be anywhere near as good on the ball as Balde.
 

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