Hans-Dieter Flick

[Birdy]

But every top team defends exactly the same. Do you people even watch city or arsenal they have the same high line, then PSG, Bayern etc.... Literally peps Barca did the same thing but people now are talking about Flick as if he's doing something crazy.
The defenders are just total garbage almost all of the suck. You could get defenders from Everton and the would improve this team. How can you have small slow weak defenders and expect to do anything when they lose duels and get outrun. You want to play a lower line then, sure then you will lose possession and have the other team attack you close to your goal where it will be even more dangerous because these defenders are garbage.

No,
it's not as high, and they don't play offside trap

That does not mean Flick should abandon it. Only idiots who don't know anything about football say that

 

[MonteCuler]

Relax. It's not that deep bro.

I doubt a lil newspaper article in another country can destabilize a whole Footballing institution.

They can't but they do their best. They use every single opportunity to shit on Barça

Also you are underestimating the effect of media. Especially in this modern time. The players, the coach, everyone at the club, they all read this. And even though it's false, it asks some uncomfortable questions

 

[DonAK]

Both FBs have been terrible this season. CBs are not fit to start for us.

The entire backline is a huge problem, and so is the lack of a consistent top striker. We also arguably have a depth issue behind Pedri and Frenkie de Jong in the deeper midfield roles considering Gavi cannot stay healthy, Bernal is still very green, Casado is not good enough.

You can change the tactics for sure, but at the end of the day we have a big player personnel problem.

In Laporta's entire term from 2021 to 2026 we're 35th in spending. Behind clubs like Brentford, Roma, Burnley: https://www.transfermarkt.com/trans...os=&altersklasse=&w_s=&leihe=&intern=0&plus=0

 

[jamrock]

We are making a lot of excuses for shit tactics Vs atletico

 

[serghei]

Balde and Kounde are also massively exposed in the system as any player would be and teams know to go wide and pull the narrow high line apart and try to break it from there or dribble.

Every single full back and defence would struggle with being asked to defend like that and opposition approaching as above.

The whole things results in aboslute chaos and players scrambling out of position for last ditch defending too often.

Any opposition coach worth their salt is saying v Barca..

1. Break quickly and as they push up and narrow if no clear obvious through ball in space go wide.
2. Go wide to pull the fullbacks out the narrow line and force them to close down/engage.
3. Striker/AM now is time to make runs in behind as defence high but spread out.
4. If wide player is quick and has room judge whether taking fullback on is the better option and look for attackers hitting box with ball across early.

Near on every team is doing this now and getting joy.

It is taking J Garcia or last ditch defending too often v poor teams to try and stop it.

Like playing poker and showing the other players one of your cards.

All of this is generated by Flick's absurdity regarding pressing. This breaks his system.

I have seen a huge amount of situations this season where we press an opponent that has both: a) ample time to pick a pass, and b) an easy pass option presented to him. This is idiotic beyond belief. Even an average player can pass to a free teammate, I fail to see what pressing in that situation brings you. Any sane manager would automatically see this as a signal to switch your proactive aggressive press tactic to a typical defensive transition.

The whole point in pressing an opponent is deny him time to figure out a proper pass. This means it is not enough to just press the player, you have to be in a position to cut any simple pass option he may have. We simply do not use these. Regardless if a player has an easy pass option, he will be pressed either way.

Our pressing is all heart and energy, with very low brains or tactical intelligence. Once the initial pressing has been breached, we double down on it in a dumb way instead of switching to a more conventional defending.

 

[MonteCuler]

We are making a lot of excuses for shit tactics Vs atletico

who exactly?

Everybody acknowledged how we played shit and Atletico deserved the win. Flick too

But that doesn't mean we should ignore what the refs are doing to us on a regular basis now

Offside technology malfunctioned 5 times in Spain this season. All 5 times in Barça matches... I'm sure it's a coincidence

Add to that clear reds not given. Pens. Refs having an entirely different standard for fouls in Barça games

 

[jamrock]

who exactly?

Everybody acknowledged how we played shit and Atletico deserved the win. Flick too

But that doesn't mean we should ignore what the refs are doing to us on a regular basis now

Offside technology malfunctioned 5 times in Spain this season. All 5 times in Barça matches... I'm sure it's a coincidence

Add to that clear reds not given. Pens. Refs having an entirely different standard for fouls in Barça games

Not talking about the red.

Just excuses related to personnel that pops up every time his tactics get exposed.

All our players bar 3 are shit etc.

Now we are hearing prime VVD would have saved us against Atletico.

Prime VVD would have handed in a transfer request after atletico is more like it lol, because he's being given a basket to carry water with the approach vs atletico.

Every single time we get beat, its the same play book.

 

[serghei]

Losing 4-0 to AM has nothing to do with personnel lol. He was tactically outclassed by Simeone. It's just one game. Move on, and hopefully we learn from it.

 

[jamrock]

Losing 4-0 to AM has nothing to do with personnel lol. He was tactically outclassed by Simeone. It's just one game. Move on, and hopefully we learn from it.

Exactly take the L, we fucked up massively and move on.

Nip picking on players right now is just missing the point of what happened

 

[malvolio]

7 big games so far, 3 wins, 4 losses:

W Newcastle away, Atleti home, Madrid SuperCopa
L Chelsea away, PSG home, Atleti away, Madrid league

Looks balanced, not one-sided as you suggest

Given also that most of the loses (bar Atletico) happened in the period when we were playing poorly, it might be even the other way round

Balanced you say?

1. Newcastle ain't even a big team. Midtable Prem side who has no CL pedigree. Beat them trough a Rashford worldie and controlled the midfield better than in some other matches.

2. Atletico at home - deserved win. An unusually open Atletico, who could have been 0-2 up early, but lost the plot afterwards.

3. Mickey Mouse Cup vs a Madrid in dissaray and Xabi being the laughing stock of their dressing room. An open game with both sides trading blows, gets decided by a Raphinha deflected shot. Madrid could have equalised and probably won in the end.

The loses were clear as day, even if the scores vs Madrid or PSG don't paint the whole picture. We were outplayed.

 

[Birdy]

Balanced you say?

1. Newcastle ain't even a big team. Midtable Prem side who has no CL pedigree. Beat them trough a Rashford worldie and controlled the midfield better than in some other matches.

2. Atletico at home - deserved win. An unusually open Atletico, who could have been 0-2 up early, but lost the plot afterwards.

3. Mickey Mouse Cup vs a Madrid in dissaray and Xabi being the laughing stock of their dressing room. An open game with both sides trading blows, gets decided by a Raphinha deflected shot. Madrid could have equalised and probably won in the end.

The loses were clear as day, even if the scores vs Madrid or PSG don't paint the whole picture. We were outplayed.

You are heavily distorting reality.

- The only game we were truly outplayed was against PSG. You could also add this one against Atleti, but usually 'outplayed' means being dominated and unable to respond, rather than being caught by surprise
- We were open at the back against Chelsea, but we were causing them real problems as well before the red card with Ferran missing sitters. 11vs11 this is a different game, possibly a draw
- The loss against RM in the league was also balanced. They were slightly better, but nothing close to the hyperbole you insinuate
- 'Mickey mouse cup' is a silly excuse. Both teams want this, carried much more weight than the league game.
And we outplayed them
- Newcastle is evidently a big game. Orelse you should also exclude Chelsea and Atletico.
Double standards are not allowed here

All in all, 7 games, 3 of which we were clearly better than our opponents, 2 we were clearly worse, and 2 that were balanced 11v11

PS: you casually ignored the most important point, that the bad displays and defeats were during our bad early spell (except Atletico).

We will have at least 5-7 (depending on CL) more big games to judge. Beware you might end up biting your tongue

 

[malvolio]

You are heavily distorting reality.

- The only game we were truly outplayed was against PSG. You could also add this one against Atleti, but usually 'outplayed' means being dominated and unable to respond, rather than being caught by surprise
- We were open at the back against Chelsea, but we were causing them real problems as well before the red card with Ferran missing sitters. 11vs11 this is a different game, possibly a draw
- The loss against RM in the league was also balanced. They were slightly better, but nothing close to the hyperbole you insinuate
- 'Mickey mouse cup' is a silly excuse. Both teams want this, carried much more weight than the league game.
And we outplayed them
- Newcastle is evidently a big game. Orelse you should also exclude Chelsea and Atletico.
Double standards are not allowed here

All in all, 7 games, 3 of which we were clearly better than our opponents, 2 we were clearly worse, and 2 that were balanced 11v11

PS: you casually ignored the most important point, that the bad displays and defeats were during our bad early spell (except Atletico).

We will have at least 5-7 (depending on CL) more big games to judge. Beware you might end up biting your tongue

How kind of you to let me add this game vs Atletico to the list of games where we were outplayed. Demolished might be the word in this case, but you'll find some excuse.
Stop lying about our chances vs Chelsea. There was only one Ferran sitter, then Chelsea outplayed us all night. You're latching to that red card as if we weren't outplayed before that with them having two goals rulled out by VAR.
Madrid in the league was another sound beating. Shots, big chances, missed pen, even xG being on their side.
Mickey Mouse Cup was open for both sides and they were in bad form with Xabi all but out. A game that could have ended badly for us.
Newcastle is not a team accustomed to big CL nights, like Chelsea or Atletico. They have their moments, but how the fuck do you put them level with those two?
PS: Just like you casually ignore that Newcastle is not a big team, Atletico was also shit at the time we played them in the league and Madrid was at a low point with their manager being a puppet when we faced them.

 

[ZenI]

He fucked up. Cup game away against one of the best cup teams last 15 years... Fuck that 4-2-3-1, play 4-3-3 with Eric as DM and instruct fullbacks to be a little more conservative - could have ended in a draw and we would win at home. But no - with Griezman, Alvarez and Lookman who are one of the best (if not THE best) counter trio we leave our two CB's all alone. Fucking joke and not coaching!

 

[ZenI]

And with Casado and Tuna...

 

[iniestaGOAT]

You are heavily distorting reality.

- The only game we were truly outplayed was against PSG. You could also add this one against Atleti, but usually 'outplayed' means being dominated and unable to respond, rather than being caught by surprise
- We were open at the back against Chelsea, but we were causing them real problems as well before the red card with Ferran missing sitters. 11vs11 this is a different game, possibly a draw
- The loss against RM in the league was also balanced. They were slightly better, but nothing close to the hyperbole you insinuate
- 'Mickey mouse cup' is a silly excuse. Both teams want this, carried much more weight than the league game.
And we outplayed them
- Newcastle is evidently a big game. Orelse you should also exclude Chelsea and Atletico.
Double standards are not allowed here

All in all, 7 games, 3 of which we were clearly better than our opponents, 2 we were clearly worse, and 2 that were balanced 11v11

PS: you casually ignored the most important point, that the bad displays and defeats were during our bad early spell (except Atletico).

We will have at least 5-7 (depending on CL) more big games to judge. Beware you might end up biting your tongue

Only problem we caused Chelsea before red card was that one sitter missed by Ferran Torres.
Thats thanks to Yamals brilliance, not this bozos tactics

Yet another spanking delivered to us by a mid team