JamDav1982
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And in other seasons where suffered humiliation went further and beat better teams.
Not relevant.
To get out a group like Barca did in that PSG season is nothing.
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Not relevant.
To get out a group like Barca did in that PSG season is nothing.
RedxMAK
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Going from group stages to quarter finals to semi finals in a 3 year period with an really young core is an improvement nevertheless.
JamDav1982
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Changing the argument.
No one said 'oh well at least we made semis finals' when tanked 4-0 by Liverpool.
RedxMAK
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@JamDav1982
For context, the 2006 CL winning team in the 2 year period before the CL went out to Chelsea in 2005 despite being in the same level and out to Celtic in 2004 despite genuinely having the better team. These European eliminations on paper are humiliations and everything but when you look at it from another lense they are lessons for the squad in their road to finally conquer Europe.
For context, the 2006 CL winning team in the 2 year period before the CL went out to Chelsea in 2005 despite being in the same level and out to Celtic in 2004 despite genuinely having the better team. These European eliminations on paper are humiliations and everything but when you look at it from another lense they are lessons for the squad in their road to finally conquer Europe.
RedxMAK
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Cause that side was filled with players who won UCLs, proven winners and under the guidance of the greatest athlete the world has ever seen.
JamDav1982
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That doesnt really add anything to what is being debated though.
JamDav1982
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Players past their best for most part and Liverpool went on to win it and many of them also been to multiple finals and EPL winners with Klopp in charge.
Im not really sure what point is being made.
RedxMAK
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The point is when you consider the squad we had in the last 3 European eliminations, although they do look like humiliations, it kind of makes sense. The squad is still developing and still learning. They need to gain experience and understand how to deal with the Champions League to be able to win it and go further in the competition. Every elimination helped us take a step forward in a way or so. Now I’m not excusing those failures but they are forgivable considering the young team we have.
JamDav1982
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No it doesnt. The squad were more than good enough to beat those teams and collapsed.
A massive opportunity missed both times and that doesnt change if Barca go on to win it this season.
Barca the last two seasons were eliminated by the first even decent team they met and collapsed v them.
Yamal who won Euros and was really the best there.. who dominated Real and has dominated Inter across the two ties is not some negative due to his age.
Pedri the same and many others. This idea of lacking experience is an excuse.
You are massively over egging how young Barcas team were.. they started one teenager.. who is the best player at club and another who is a Spain intl.
FCBarca
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The fickle nature of fans much less today's generation on failing to consider historical context conveniently brush aside averting being forced into becoming an SAD where the focus would be on profitability and shareholder value. They could sell shares to raise capital and continue to manage it from a corporate perspective in terms of decisions rather than sporting or democratic
Laporta already saved the club, now watch it cook with his leadership
Laporta already saved the club, now watch it cook with his leadership
RedxMAK
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I agree that we were capable of being good enough to beat those teams but we collapsed. But football doesn’t work like that, yes despite us being good enough to beat them we couldn’t because we weren’t ready yet. Failure is the first step of success, you have to be able to gain experience in something before you master it. There is a reason why many historic dynasties had to suffer before they truly raised their level and started their dynasty. We also went out with better teams in 2010 and 2012, despite being the better team on paper clearly but we couldn’t do it. It just wasn’t mean’t to be.
The losses can’t be excused but they can be understood. That we are still growing and improving slowly but surely we will get there and finally win the UCL. Like it isn’t something to be fully ashamed about, it proves we weren’t ready yet. Many of the players in the PSG tie in 2024 were playing their first UCL knockout ties like Raphinha, Yamal, Cubarsi, Pedri, Kounde, Ferran and Fermin.
Unlike the 2016-19 eliminations, when we had an established core of UCL winners like Messi, Suarez, Alba, Busquets, Pique, Rakitic and ter Stegen. We completely got battered and humiliated despite us having the better squad or the 3 goal led in the 17-18 and 18-19 eliminations. Those losses weren’t forgivable cause we had proven winners in that squad who won the treble for us, you can’t forgive those losses cause they were in the most toothless and shameless way possible despite the proven winners in our teams to clearly inferior teams.
Once the team actually becomes established in the UCL, then we can see that it is truly a humiliation to go out despite having that squad who had extreme experience in the UCL. But to call collapse by a relatively inexperienced team a humiliation is very unfair to be honest.
JamDav1982
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Circular logic.
Cant suffer a humiliation until stop suffering them.
You place far far too much emphasis on CL experience and winning at top level previously.
PSG proved that.
Barca had more than enough experience and it is an excuse and not why team failed.
The least experienced Barca player was the best one.
Cant suffer a humiliation until stop suffering them.
You place far far too much emphasis on CL experience and winning at top level previously.
PSG proved that.
Barca had more than enough experience and it is an excuse and not why team failed.
The least experienced Barca player was the best one.
RedxMAK
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The example of Yamal and Pedri doesn’t make sense though, they are a big part of the team but they couldn’t carry a relatively inexperienced squad to the trophy. I mean Yamal did do a huge mistake by taking a shot relatively late in the game when we needed to defend and keep the ball. Pedri was relatively alright in the Inter game, just because they played 1-2 UCL campaigns and did well in the Euros doesn’t guarantee that they are ready to win the UCL…
RedxMAK
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The last team to win the UCL with relatively low experience was Ajax in 1995.
You learn from your mistakes and then became the best version of yourself. You can’t just win from the beginning, it is very unlikely. In order to develop, you have to fail and learn from your mistakes. The greatest of teams have went through this and this is a part of football in general.
RedxMAK
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PSG’s main core had to go through 3 humiliating Champions League eliminations in order to finally win it.
Collapsing against Madrid despite having the best player in the world at the time, doing nothing against Bayern despite having that great squad and scoring no goals against Dortmund despite being the better team clearly.
Look they had to suffer and learn from their mistakes in order to finally win it.
Nuno Mendes was in all 3 of those seasons, as well as Hakimi. Vitinha was in 2 of those seasons and Dembele himself had to endure those disappointing collapses against Roma and Liverpool and that humiliation against Dortmund to finally become the best version of himself. Experience makes you develop and it is a general rule in football.
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