Real Madrid

serghei

Senior Member
I dont think Real Madrid should play defensive against any team in the world, that's all I'm saying. Under any conditions. But that's just me.

They are Real Madrid lol. They managed to lose possession vs Atletico in a CL final. They are not some aesthetic side, but an end justifies the means type of team.

Defensive as hell vs City, defensive vs Bayern several times, vs Atletico the same, 0-3 vs Juve a few years ago, defensive vs Liverpool in CL final, defensive and counter is their go to when facing a strong rival.

Even in their golden era they didn't really dominate big teams.
 

GloryHunter 007

Road to 1000
They are Real Madrid lol. They managed to lose possession vs Atletico in a CL final. They are not some aesthetic side, but an end justifies the means type of team.

Defensive as shite vs City, defensive vs Bayern several times, vs Atletico the same, 0-3 vs Juve a few years ago, defensive vs Liverpool in CL final, defensive and counter is their go to when facing a strong rival.
The way I see it is that everyone fears Real in CL, since they won 6 in 11, and Madrid is just petrified of Barca.

Which I would also understand if it was 2009 - 2012.

But its 2026. Barca won 1 CL in that period.
 

delancey

Senior Member
Right manager is tricky to find, if it even exists, if the locker-room is infected by bad habits and an unprofessional attitude from multiple stars. Madrid have run themselves into a new Galactico era with the transfers they made.

This is no longer the Madrid from even 2-3 years ago, let alone the one from 2014-17. Their leaders have left, or retired one by one. The last ones were Modric, Kroos, Benzema, and even Carvajal who is as good as finished.

It happens to every cycle. Madrid managed to tie together two cycles, a great one and a very good one, because they had several leaders that were part in both, but that ended.

There is insufficient leadership in the current team. Likes of Camavinga, Bellingham, that petulant man-child Vinicius, the pampered Mbappe, Rodrygo, not enough leadership and dedication to form the backbone of a new cycle. There is talent, but not nearly enough manhood there.
A team like Real Madrid can hire and fire managers until they get it right. And they do!

As for divas questioning authority… do you think a diva would question Ferguson’s authority? Hire the right manager and he not only commands respect, he shapes the culture within the club. Players get behind him. So I don’t buy into this argument that just because a weak manager gets stepped on, it will always happen. It depends on who the manager is.

What do you think our cycle would look like right now if Koeman or Valverde were in charge? Managers are the cycle. They shape the squad. Top down influence, just like in a company or in politics. And that’s why you see dudes like Emery walk into broken cycles under managers like Gerard and create a top 4 team.
 

GloryHunter 007

Road to 1000
A team like Real Madrid can hire and fire managers until they get it right. And they do!

As for divas questioning authority… do you think a diva would question Ferguson’s authority? Hire the right manager and he not only commands respect, he shapes the culture within the club. Players get behind him. So I don’t buy into this argument that just because a weak manager gets stepped on, it will always happen. It depends on who the manager is.

What do you think our cycle would look like right now if Koeman or Valverde were in charge? Managers are the cycle. They shape the squad. Top down influence, just like in a company or in politics.
it's a decent post but you tagged the message twice.
 

serghei

Senior Member
A team like Real Madrid can hire and fire managers until they get it right. And they do!

As for divas questioning authority… do you think a diva would question Ferguson’s authority? Hire the right manager and he not only commands respect, he shapes the culture within the club. Players get behind him. So I don’t buy into this argument that just because a weak manager gets stepped on, it will always happen. It depends on who the manager is.

What do you think our cycle would look like right now if Koeman or Valverde were in charge? Managers are the cycle. They shape the squad. Top down influence, just like in a company or in politics.

Except some great players don't get along even with great managers due to ego. What will happen is some players will maybe get with the program, some will cause trouble.

When you land a top tier manager, the ones that cause trouble should be cut immediately. Like Pep did. Pep cut many stars that he felt couldn't be won over.

Based on your idea, it shouldn't be possible for Ibrahimovic to not get behind Pep. And yet, ego finds a way. Stars are complicated when they reach a certain point. Once you hit that point, it's hard to put back the vase that was broken.

It's mostly due to ego. Ego perverts everything.
 

fergus90

Senior Member
Papa Perez has way too much influence to let a manager have the keys fully. He’s part of their issue now to be honest.

Can’t see him hiring a Klopp or whoever. It’ll be a yes man.
 

GloryHunter 007

Road to 1000
what will uncle Flo do with Rudiger, Alaba and Carvajal. If they dont renew any of them, then what?

I dont think either them or Barca are winning tbh.

Barca will get Primera.

Dont know about Copa.
 

delancey

Senior Member
Except some great players don't get along even with great managers due to ego. What will happen is some players will maybe get with the program, some will cause trouble.

When you land a top tier manager, the ones that cause trouble should be cut immediately. Like Pep did. Pep cut many stars that he felt couldn't be won over.

Based on your idea, it shouldn't be possible for Ibrahimovic to not get behind Pep. And yet, ego finds a way. Stars are complicated when they reach a certain point. Once you hit that point, it's hard to put back the vase that was broken.

It's mostly due to ego. Ego perverts everything.
It is never black and white. Real Madrid has an ego so it isn’t surprising when it hires big ego managers and players too. Trick is hitting the jackpot with a manager who most players respect and can get behind. If there’s an alpha disruptor… well, then one has to go. Ibra, for example.

There weren’t any issues with Mbappe under Anchelotti, right? Vinicius was also more well behaved?

Anyhow, They will hire and fire until they get it right. And I’ve seen it so many times. The right manager changes everything.
 

GloryHunter 007

Road to 1000
It is never black and white. Real Madrid has an ego so it isn’t surprising when it hires big ego managers and players too. Trick is hitting the jackpot with a manager who most players respect and can get behind.

There weren’t any issues with Mbappe under Anchelotti, right? Vinicius was also more well behaved?

They will hire and fire until they get it right. And I’ve seen it so many times. The right manager changes everything.
the only thing I know is that Zizou shouldnt come. He just shouldnt.

Jordan had a perfect legacy, went to Wizards and now for me his legacy is just excellent.
 

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