Ousmane Dembélé
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Birdy
Senior Member
Generational W for my boy @Birdy.
Congrats. You deserve the W more than anyone.
Ball knowledge won today.
Biggest L ever for the Birdy haters. Hold that you fucking losers!
You know who you are.....
Thanks Tempt
There are those who know ball, and those who don't.
It was clear since day 1 at Barca that Ousmane had the potential to become WC, but the injuries were stopping him.
When he fixed that (already since Koeman and Xavi that was largely fixed, but at PSG he fixed it even more), there was nothing stopping him.
Of course Ballon D Or is matter of luck and circumstances. People like Salah that arguably could have won it and deserved it haven't.
But one thing is for sure: Ousmane belongs to the group of WC players that can win a Ballon D'Or, irrespective of whether that happens or not.
Temptation
Well-known member
FTFY. You're welcome.
Tbf Kaka and Dembele did nothing in their World Cup. Kaka played merely 20 minutes cameo while Dembele also only played in group stage.
wisconsincule
Senior Member
I wonder how he would have played under Flick if he stayed.
Samuel Umtiti: "I had to call Dembélé in the morning to see if he was awake, to make sure he knew training was in the morning. He didn't realize he was at Barcelona. He's a very good guy, but he didn't realize it. It's like he was going to play in the next town over. That's Ousmane."
This actually was a tribute to Dembele, there was 3 player who like Dembele and there good was to use dark humour (no bad pun intended). So here Umtiti was totally joking and using this video where the goal was to make him look like a hater, even if we all know that it was true lol.
FCBarca
Truth
BdO has inherent structural bias - using 'jouranalists' who vote on storylines rather than performance and this is influenced by social media hype, club influence/propaganda and even recency bias. I mean how can Vini be in any top ranking for BdO? It's madness. In principle, the concept of a BPOTY award is subjective - the objective criteria you can debate but they aren't really defined in any way. Plus, how can you objectively compare different positions on the pitch? Sofascores?
There's the eye test and here because it lacks an objective marker to rank any one player much less differentiate one from another you rely on the experts - journalists are not experts, they're selling stories. Former footballers? A committee/panel of veterans like the Academy for the Oscars? That's opaque and doesn't really preclude bias from entering into it. Fan ratings? This is tribal too
I think the only just solution would be a weighted system using a combination of all those and built on objective variables. But this would need to be transparent too, I do believe BdO will end up like these manufactured awards CR is winning each year now in the gulf world
Of course this is a plague in every sector now, objectivity making way for marketing power
I liken it to this - if you buy something from a marketplace online you read the reviews. A high star rating implies its going to be a purchase to meet your needs but everyone's needs/tastes are different and few are universally aligned. Even then, there's reviewer bias - you have to wade through the ridiculous reviews (good/bad) that have little to do with what they are rating but annoyed/thrilled by some inconsequential or irrelevant details. This happens with these voters in BdO too, they rank ridiculously at times. So if you see the high rating, it may just be the accumulation of idiotic reviews rather than a true assessment of whether it delivers on being the best. The devil is in the details
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feggydinho
Senior Member
I understand, but for this year, many people are saying the number 1 spot for Dembele is deserved, but they have issues with other positions.
You even see Messi's congratulatory post to Dembele, where he says that he (Dembele) deserves it, which a lot of people actually agree with; I guess we may see how captains and coaches voted later, but I think many voted for Dembele cause his season was too good for him not to win
FCBarca
Truth
I am aware that currently it is what it is but that wasn’t the question, I merely pointed out its not an objective award but a marketing prize
feggydinho
Senior Member
Okay, but I think objectivity would still have most votes putting Dembele as number 1 for the concluded season if we look at the 3 criteria they used.
- Individual Performances (Dembele is high up there and very influencial for PSG)
- Team Performances and Achievements (He's still up there)
- Class and Fair Play (He's very still up there)
So it was just a great season for him
FCBarca
Truth
You should read up on the details of those listed BdO criteria - Dembele would not be the highest rated objectively for any of those 3
Individually, Lamine trumps in most objective criteria metrics. Team wise he had one less trophy for club, but one more for NT. Then to speak nothing of the biggest factor which is subjective and that is in decisive performances - no one was more decisive than Lamine, no one
feggydinho
Senior Member
What are the key objective criteria metrics that Yamal trumps in Individually? Note that the first criterion is (Individual performances, decisive and impressive character). Let's take UEFA competitions as a sample and look at their run from the quarters upwards
Dembele assisted in the UEFA Super Cup finals, assisted twice against Inter in UEFA finals, had a goal and assist against Arsenal in semi-finals, had 2 assists against Aston Villa in quarter finals.
Yamal had one assist against Inter in UEFA semis, one goal against Dortmund in the quarter finals.
If you're objective, how was Yamal more decisive individually with the stats above last season?
Jair Ventura
Well-known member
Has @feggydinho ever posted anything outside of Dembele thread?
Dembele deserves fully but saying Yamal isn't decisive because of not many goals is just insane.
Like saying Lampard was more decisive than Ronaldinho in 2004/05 because he scored more goals.
Dembele deserves fully but saying Yamal isn't decisive because of not many goals is just insane.
Like saying Lampard was more decisive than Ronaldinho in 2004/05 because he scored more goals.
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