Nico Williams

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Mike the Knife
Very accurate take khaled 🤝

Except, I’d add that nothing has changed in terms of Nico’s fiscal impact from 12 months ago

Me, feels like a justification exercise or PR spin to demonstrate they are being fiscally prudent but sporting wise its a no brainer it should be Nico. You can’t have Lamine without the ideal attacking partner and I have yet to see anyone connect on/off the pitch as Nico - plus, for Williams to be the sort of character he is that will fit in perfectly with the club’s ethos?

No brainer. We were always going to have to invest in the club/roster, I’d much rather go pragmatic on the Lewy replacement
 
malvolio

malvolio

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Is 12M gross(6M netto) a big salary these days? With what money the clubs are getting?

Maybe club doesn't see him as elite, that's why they wouldn't be ok with that salary?
 
khaled_a_d

khaled_a_d

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FCBarca said:
Very accurate take khaled 🤝

Except, I’d add that nothing has changed in terms of Nico’s fiscal impact from 12 months ago
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However, 3 things have changed to the club.

First, Olmo was signed. Making Raphinha a full time LW.

Second, Raphinha excelled in the role. This season, start to end, Raphinha and Salah are probably the best 2 players. Now, with him and Olmo, the need is more of depth and rotation rather than someone to walk in the starting lineup.

Lastly, and more importantly, depth issues is now more glaring. The club tried to hide it under the rug last year but we are reaching a point where we have to face it. Last season we went to get one signing that will help to push the team in 4231 direction, by either getting LW and push Raphinha to AM or getting AM directly. One signing to make the gameplan work.

We went with injury prone starting GK, a backup GK we didn't rate highly, not a single first team backup LB, RB, and one legit attacker on the bench. It cost us at the end.

Now, we prioritised GK even before LW, likely having Tek and Garcia (both ate new signings under the rules), and finally realising that a LB is needed (Torrents injury history is scary). So, resources might need to get allocated elsewhere, some already done.

A counter argument that this summer we might be able to make some sales and get rid of some deadweight (though renewals will eat good chunk of those) and Liga FFP is eased.
 
DonAK

DonAK

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Nico's price is including the IPC/Consumer Price Index that is added on top of the buyout clause surely. Just like Joan Garcia's price 25m buyout + nearly 2m in IPC.

@khaled_a_d

Now don't ask me why it's like this :lol:

I've given up on understanding Spain as a country.
 
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Porque

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khaled_a_d said:
As an alternative, there was no way we were getting both. Barca barely registered Olmo with Christensen injury, then vip sale
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I think from Raphi interviews and being close to going to Saudi, Nico was his alternative and thus the pursuit of Olmo and Nico last Summer.

Will respond to the other post later.
 
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Porque

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khaled_a_d said:
There are few problems in this calculations.

1-Romero is saying Nico RC package is 64M, not 60.

2-Niether Nico nor Diaz are signing 6 years, but look at next point.

3-I doubt Nico is going to have a flat rate salary. 12M is likely the starting salary. At 4th and 5th year, expect significant pay raise. This is normal for a young player, they know clubs expects them to improve, and they want to be paid as such. So, a 6th year sound good for amortization only in the short run. This is happening with Garcia too, it is reported he will see significant improvement in wages in his 6th season, that is why he accepted 6th year.

So, it is another "borrowing " from the future case.

4-Barca expects Diaz to cost same as Olmo, who was 47M+ 13M, this means his amortization will be significantly lower. Diaz at 10M get significant improvement in wage, and likely has flat value or lower increase.

5-Barca media is claiming Diaz want us, and honestly, our only competition is in KSA, which he isn't interested at.

6-Installments vs buyout.

7-Value for money doesn't matter if you can't afford it.

We can try to rationalise the Niconomics as much as we want. But we know as a player the club would have taken him immediately if everything is equal. The club isn't stupid, despite armchair SD loving to claim that, and if anything Nico is the easy and popular choice.

Going after other targets, it is clearly the club see it as tough economic deal and expect Diaz to be more cost friendly, significantly.

However, this ignores Liverpool. Diaz is a good starting LW on low cost. They sell him for 60M or under, and they are likely paying more to get an equally or better player, just after breaking EPL transfer record and signing a costly LB & RB. They can say stay or leave for 80M+ from Saudi, a number that can fubd them a legit replacement
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Well, to start with, I think the primary issue for Diaz vs Nico is on sporting merit. And that Diaz has the profile that Flick and Deco are prioritising. Great first touch, comfortable in tight space, can easily beat his market to create a shoot or assist opportunity and the high workrate on and off the ball for 90.

Nico is, well, not that. He might be it if he buys into Flicks football, but he has not shown to be it so far.

So I don't think it is down to price.

With that said, maybe Nico doesn't sign for 6 (and I am thinking a Chelsea esque model where the players know they have to sign that for ffp), but it is more likely that a young player, who will renew in a few years, will sign a longer term contract. Well unless Diaz gets an offer where he hits 33, and then becomes a liability.

So yes, if the club get Diaz for what they want to pay, then maybe he would be cheaper than Nico.

But they will get him for what Liverpool wants, because as unhappy as Diaz is with his 3m a year, he is not going to refuse to train to force a move in a world cup year.

But I think that when we run the numbers or what it will cost to buy Diaz from Liverpool, what wages his agent negotiates and what contract length, they will end up being around the same cost anyways. That's my point.
 
Barcaman

Barcaman

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Feeling wary about Nico. Watching him lose control of the ball without being challenged is embarrassing.

Work-rate is also a concern.

Diaz is superior player but there's a question of age.
 
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