Joan Laporta

[JamDav1982]

Yes and Laporta is the President who had longest term without building it in last 25 years.

Thankfully that was the case given his 2007 effort.

Building a stadium built on previous plans and future money is not as heroic as made out.

 

[serghei]

Yes and Laporta is the President who had longest term without building it in last 25 years.

Thankfully that was the case given his 2007 effort.

Building a stadium built on previous plans and future money is not as heroic as made out.

Yeah, he was busy building the greatest team the sport has ever seen. And handing that over to two incompetent shitheads, who took over a dynasty who should have us matching Madrid, and ruined it. All that while Madrid went through their greatest era since the 50s, courtesy of the disaster that followed after 2011.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yeah, he was busy building the greatest team the sport has ever seen. And handing that over to two incompetent shitheads.

Well he also inherited most of that team so not all built by him either and why would be 'busy' doing that stop them from building a new stadium?

Back to stadium.. is the claim that there were no VIP areas in previous plans?

What is the numbers between Laporta 2007 plan and Espai Barca and what building now?

 

[serghei]

Well he also inherited most of that team so not all built by him either and why would be 'busy' doing that stop them from building a new stadium?

Inherited what exactly? Prior to 2003 the team was fighting to make top 4 in Spain. He inherited two messes, turned one into Hope diamond, and even turned this collossal mess into a team that is a pleasure to watch.

 

[JamDav1982]

Inherited what exactly? Prior to 2003 the team was fighting to make CL places in Spain.

Inherited the greatest group of players emerging and hitting peak years.

Good decisions on top of that but inherting Messi alone is the biggest bonus any President of any club ever had.

To be fair Yamal wont be far behind that.

Again.. why does that stop a stadium being built?

 

[TheStig]

Laporta didn't make worse anything, the decisions that don't look good are necessary commercial steps, because you live in a world of capitalism, not some fantasy.

I said I understand why, he did make it uglier though. I'm sure Barto's plans had VIP boxes in a different way but can't remember how.

Bartomeu's work on the project is basically some renders and plans for what to do in the future, while driving the club in the shitter. He didn't make any steps with it. He was too busy doing his best to bankrupt the club during the peak amigo days.

Everybody can play with the computer and plan things with fictional future money. Doing them is the hard part.

He chose the design and all the plans and had the socios vote on it. He made the first steps, he started the project but (thankfully) won't finish it. Imagine that corrupt piece of shit leading the construction, it would probably be the end of the club.

Most of the praise and blame will go towards Laporta of course.

 

[serghei]

I said I understand why, he did make it uglier though. I'm sure Barto's plans had VIP boxes in a different way but can't remember how.

Of course. All stadiums have some vip boxes, even Romanian stadiums outside Bucharest have some VIP boxes. Not like these, on the current Camp Nou build. These are extensive, huge in number, and impressive in placement and design.

 

[JamDav1982]

Of course. All stadiums have some vip boxes, even Romanian stadiums outside Bucharest have some VIP boxes. Not like these. These are extensive, and impressive.

The best VIP seats in Camp Nou wont be in those boxes. They are easier to sell off for future income though.

It is not the huge uptick income you think it is.

Also there is a balance between making the stadium losing something by being too corporate with its look.

 

[TheStig]

We'll talk about what's impressive when we know how much the stadium will cost and how much the VIP boxes will actually bring. Maybe hidden ones in Barto's version of the stadium wouldn't bring less money and for sure it would look better.

 

[serghei]

We'll talk about what's impressive when we know how much the stadium will cost and how much the VIP boxes will actually bring. Maybe hidden ones in Barto's version of the stadium wouldn't bring less money and for sure it would look better.

Those Bartomeu hidden vip seats revenue would have been as impressive as his transfer dealings benefits. Would have been Coutinho-level VIP seats.

 

[JamDav1982]

Those Bartomeu hidden vip seats revenue would be as impressive as the nonexistence of his transfer dealings benefits.

Who claims any seats would be 'hidden'?

Can already see VIP seats and types of areas they will be in from previous set up and tickets available now.

 

[TheStig]

Those Bartomeu hidden vip seats revenue would have been as impressive as his transfer dealings benefits. Would have been Coutinho-level VIP seats.

How do you know? You know what was his plan with VIP seats?

Who claims any seats would be 'hidden'?

I did. Not hidden per say but not all around boxes like in Laporta's version. Would love to know what was the original plan with it.

 

[TheStig]

I wouldn't praise Laporta about the stadium just yet. He started with the delays, the lying, the 1 mil per day penalites bullshit and I wouldn't be surprised if the cost will baloon to a few billion € in the end and if some sketchy affairs and corruption come out about the construction as it usually does in this big projects.

 

[serghei]

How do you know? You know what was his plan with VIP seats?

Under Bartomeu, we only held a contest for the design, and published some renders. Not much different than the stage for the current new Old Trafford. Not even a brick was laid under Bartomeu. Based on the renders, the modifications Laporta's board made to the project are all essential and differential.

The big structural difference in terms of design, indeed, is the prioritization of Vip and VVip seating. Other than that, the design didn't suffer much changes. That I can agree with.

The actual implementation, which is by far the most complicated part, is all Laporta.

The other part that is true is that future boards will have to pay for it. But they will inherit a very healthy and strong club. Not a disaster.

Next President will receive a great car that looks and runs great, but one that requires top maintenance both in terms of needed skills and costs. So he'd better not fuck it up.

 

[JamDav1982]

That is a complete lie.

Barca had published the Espai Barca as the plan going forward and it was part of an over haul of almost all the sports facilities at the club which the members approved.

Again have no clue what talking about.

Plans of previous board paid by future boards.

Thankfully the plan of Laporta in 2007 was ignored.

What increase in VIP seating is there under Laporta plans? Keep stating that as fact.. but never back it up.