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Maradona37
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Yeah it's completely impossible but he keeps mentioning it so I am intrigued to find out how he thinks it could work.
jamrock
Senior Member
That's a non starter, no way that can work or should even be considered.
What's this Scotland.
The Spanish domestic TV deal is about 5B over 5 years and international it's about another 2B.
Those numbers can be verified with a quick Google search.
It will increase with the next contract, even if we account for Madrid and Barca getting a larger share of the TV rights, that's more than enough money to maintain a 20 team league, but 18 would be ideal to give the lower level teams more income.
But 10 teams 😂 😂, you'll cut the TV rights deal in half as well because it's less games
So we will be in the same situation we are now, at least with around 18, you can negotiate around the same number as you would with 20 teams, argue you'll get 4 less games, but an improvement in quality.
What are you doing to tell them with 10 teams? 😂
Maradona37
Well-known member
I agree with you fully. I am just curious why Jammy (the other jammy) keeps mentioning it. I had never seen anyone say that about La Liga before.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Bf is too funny 😭😭😭🤣
Rather than have 10 teams, you just need 10 out of 18/20 that can consistently sign decently.
Part of what sells the EPL is the new signings buzz. Nobody in the US or Asia gives a fuck about Burnley, Forest (last year) or Wolves (generally). But they do care about 100m+ each of these teams spend to improve their teams every year, where the FC26 generation is more about shiny new toys/names first and then clubs second. Or in the case of Nottingham Forest, missing out on the CL and spending fookin 234m
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Nobody gives a fuck about penny pinching Getafe surviving year after year all these years. But what they do give a fuck about now is Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth who through their immense scouting buy and play top quality players every year.
Nobody cares about Uche sending in scouting videos from Africa and getting signed up by a lowly Spanish club and eventually making it to LaLiga a year later. But they care about Uche, the 20m signing, who got into LaLiga by sending his YouTube videos to Spain from Africa, that Crystal Palace has now signed.
That is the difference, and that is why the tv rights are so high to support this transfer system in the UK, which sells the product through big signings that sells the clubs.
Maybe LaLiga are getting there by 2030, maybe we are not. I don't know, next 5 years will speak alot about where LaLiga and indeed club football is going. But as of today outside of Barca/Madrid (and even then Barca can't currently sign and are surviving thanks to Flickball + Lamine exploding), LaLiga has lost one of it's previous KSP, the display of the top South American talents. And even if they weren't, like Matias Fernandez and Saviola, they were being signed as if they were with fees that supported that perception.
Part of what sells the EPL is the new signings buzz. Nobody in the US or Asia gives a fuck about Burnley, Forest (last year) or Wolves (generally). But they do care about 100m+ each of these teams spend to improve their teams every year, where the FC26 generation is more about shiny new toys/names first and then clubs second. Or in the case of Nottingham Forest, missing out on the CL and spending fookin 234m
.Nobody gives a fuck about penny pinching Getafe surviving year after year all these years. But what they do give a fuck about now is Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth who through their immense scouting buy and play top quality players every year.
Nobody cares about Uche sending in scouting videos from Africa and getting signed up by a lowly Spanish club and eventually making it to LaLiga a year later. But they care about Uche, the 20m signing, who got into LaLiga by sending his YouTube videos to Spain from Africa, that Crystal Palace has now signed.
That is the difference, and that is why the tv rights are so high to support this transfer system in the UK, which sells the product through big signings that sells the clubs.
Maybe LaLiga are getting there by 2030, maybe we are not. I don't know, next 5 years will speak alot about where LaLiga and indeed club football is going. But as of today outside of Barca/Madrid (and even then Barca can't currently sign and are surviving thanks to Flickball + Lamine exploding), LaLiga has lost one of it's previous KSP, the display of the top South American talents. And even if they weren't, like Matias Fernandez and Saviola, they were being signed as if they were with fees that supported that perception.
JamDav1982
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10 teams would be far better and for money spread but unlikely can make happen unless a larger European Super League takes off.
It doesnt even up with 10 teams being popular unless on level of EPL which will never be.
It would still be far less viewership and spread across more teams.
The difference is the popularity of the teams in EPL across the board and La Liga will never compete with that.
It doesnt even up with 10 teams being popular unless on level of EPL which will never be.
It would still be far less viewership and spread across more teams.
The difference is the popularity of the teams in EPL across the board and La Liga will never compete with that.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
To make out with 10 teams would 'cut the tv deal in half' is complete and utter lack of understanding of what is being paid for by broadcasters on these tv deals.
It would not do that in the slightest.
It would not do that in the slightest.
Loki
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HIs agent and his family used immense pressure on him. His family is deeply rooted in Bilbao and all his agent's players only play for Bilbao. I'm pretty sure Bilbao pays him a bonus for convincing players to join or stay with them. It's not easy to withstand months of pressure from you closest circle.
Wouldn't surprise me, if he starts to blame them in a few years for pressuring him in staying now.
draconifire
NTC with a Positive attitude
The LaLiga can definitely increase its reach. Revenues would grow too, because of that. They are absolutely shit at this.
In India, last year we had an "official app" where they were supposed to stream, no you cant find it on a tv channel. And almost all the games I tried to watch there didn't even start streaming until like 5-10min into the game. No one was able to watch classic because the whole app was down for the first half of the match. You are forced to watch pirated streams.
India is a huge market if they could capitalise. But no. Same can be said about a lot of Asian countries.
Heard in Germany you can only watch it on DAZN. WTF is that about?
No wonder, the league is so shit.
In India, last year we had an "official app" where they were supposed to stream, no you cant find it on a tv channel. And almost all the games I tried to watch there didn't even start streaming until like 5-10min into the game. No one was able to watch classic because the whole app was down for the first half of the match. You are forced to watch pirated streams.
India is a huge market if they could capitalise. But no. Same can be said about a lot of Asian countries.
Heard in Germany you can only watch it on DAZN. WTF is that about?
No wonder, the league is so shit.
Stuff like Fantasy Football also adds huge engagement. People following each and every game to see who plays, scores and assists. Bet the respective league fans know most of the teams' best XI's in PL whereas in Liga that number is max 3. I know I wouldn't be able to say the best players of teams outside Atleti and RM.
Maradona37
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That's a great point. FPL has done so much for adding another tier of interest to pl.
HeadElastico
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I don't see any change in the next 5 years as someone suggested above as a wait and watch. These issues (quality of product) have aren't new and have existed forever. They aren't solely related to money.
It's just that now the money disparity is an additional oppressive force on the league and I honestly can't see anything changing unless we sell out to the Saudis or something like that. (I would prefer to be a mediocre league than have that happen tbh).
IMO one big issue that La Liga could solve is being more English centric for the global consumer- commentary, high quality pre and post matches, marketing outside of Spain etc.
These aren't money centric issues, they are just facets native to the league that they haven't bothered with. What's stopping the commentary from not sounding dran and boring? Where's the excitement, like you hear in Burnley Vs Tottenham?
I think the malaise runs too deep and the ONE thing la liga always held on to was this idea that it still has the theoretically and objectively best football. That was evidenced by success in Europe during the 00s and 10s by Sevilla and Villarreal.
Now with la liga becoming a feeder league I think we're getting to the point that that last bastion of footballing superiority is also going to soon fade away, leaving this a Barca and Madrid league.
It's just that now the money disparity is an additional oppressive force on the league and I honestly can't see anything changing unless we sell out to the Saudis or something like that. (I would prefer to be a mediocre league than have that happen tbh).
IMO one big issue that La Liga could solve is being more English centric for the global consumer- commentary, high quality pre and post matches, marketing outside of Spain etc.
These aren't money centric issues, they are just facets native to the league that they haven't bothered with. What's stopping the commentary from not sounding dran and boring? Where's the excitement, like you hear in Burnley Vs Tottenham?
I think the malaise runs too deep and the ONE thing la liga always held on to was this idea that it still has the theoretically and objectively best football. That was evidenced by success in Europe during the 00s and 10s by Sevilla and Villarreal.
Now with la liga becoming a feeder league I think we're getting to the point that that last bastion of footballing superiority is also going to soon fade away, leaving this a Barca and Madrid league.
Messi983
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I will forever call the 2010-19 years as a decade of lost opportunities for La Liga. Spanish clubs were dominating in Europe and we had a Messi vs CR rivalry alongside other great players like Neymar (a highly marketable player who could bring money to the league on his own) - Xavi, Iniesta, Modric, Kroos, Benz,... in the big two while Atleti, Sevilla and other clubs had some good players too (though obviously not as marketable).
But La Liga just didn't know how to capitalize enough on that period. Imagine if CR would stay at United in his prime years and Messi would play for City or Liverpool. PL clubs would have two or three times more money today than they already have. Simple fact is PL knows how to sell their product, LL don't.
I've said it many times before (half-jokingly) that PL needs their version of Thebes. Someone who would keep clubs more responsible in their spending. Money would still flow in but clubs would think twice before spending 100m on Antonys of this world. PL FFP/PSR is a joke, we all know that so longterm having a more strict financial (spending) policy would help clubs to improve their decision making and invest their money better.
And OTOH La Liga needs marketing people who knows how to bring money to the league. Tebas is focusing on club's expenses way too much and forgeting the other side of the balance sheet. In theory it's fine to say he wants to keep clubs financially responsible and not get into too much debt (are the clubs really succeding in that though?) but if you want to progress you have to invest. Majority of La Liga clubs are not allowed to do that. Instead they are living in the world where they have to sell their best player(s) every summer (usually under their market price) just to survive and mostly replace them with fringe cheap veterans and loanees.
I would understand if a club like Sevilla would sell Bade and Lukebakio for 50m and then could afford to re-invest most of that money (let's say 30-40m) to sign 4-5 good players (rather than replace them with way over the hill veterans like Alexis and Azpi). That's what most midtable clubs in other leagues are doing and Sevilla in their best years under Monchi were also always a selling club while also staying competitive not only in La Liga but also Europe. Losing two quality starters would still suck but at least they would have a chance to improve overall depth at least and in the end could potentially even improve as a team if new signings would pay off.
First they would ofc still have to recognize and sign the right players for that money to be considered well spend but that would be on their scouts and sporting department. If they would fail then would be their own fault. But I think clubs should be in a position where their success on the pitch is mostly dependent on their SD, coaches and players rather than purely financially based decisions. And in La Liga we are far from that situation. Obviously each club is responsible for their own finances but La Liga should help rather than restrict them and also do a better job to bring more money to the league.
We now have a young superstar (Lamine) and stars in their prime years (Mbappe, Vini) but that is still far from enough to compete with a media hyped PL, especially considering a dire lack of talent in mid-and-lower table clubs who are primarily looking to survive day to day rather than stay competitive or having much hope for a longterm progress.
But La Liga just didn't know how to capitalize enough on that period. Imagine if CR would stay at United in his prime years and Messi would play for City or Liverpool. PL clubs would have two or three times more money today than they already have. Simple fact is PL knows how to sell their product, LL don't.
I've said it many times before (half-jokingly) that PL needs their version of Thebes. Someone who would keep clubs more responsible in their spending. Money would still flow in but clubs would think twice before spending 100m on Antonys of this world. PL FFP/PSR is a joke, we all know that so longterm having a more strict financial (spending) policy would help clubs to improve their decision making and invest their money better.
And OTOH La Liga needs marketing people who knows how to bring money to the league. Tebas is focusing on club's expenses way too much and forgeting the other side of the balance sheet. In theory it's fine to say he wants to keep clubs financially responsible and not get into too much debt (are the clubs really succeding in that though?) but if you want to progress you have to invest. Majority of La Liga clubs are not allowed to do that. Instead they are living in the world where they have to sell their best player(s) every summer (usually under their market price) just to survive and mostly replace them with fringe cheap veterans and loanees.
I would understand if a club like Sevilla would sell Bade and Lukebakio for 50m and then could afford to re-invest most of that money (let's say 30-40m) to sign 4-5 good players (rather than replace them with way over the hill veterans like Alexis and Azpi). That's what most midtable clubs in other leagues are doing and Sevilla in their best years under Monchi were also always a selling club while also staying competitive not only in La Liga but also Europe. Losing two quality starters would still suck but at least they would have a chance to improve overall depth at least and in the end could potentially even improve as a team if new signings would pay off.
First they would ofc still have to recognize and sign the right players for that money to be considered well spend but that would be on their scouts and sporting department. If they would fail then would be their own fault. But I think clubs should be in a position where their success on the pitch is mostly dependent on their SD, coaches and players rather than purely financially based decisions. And in La Liga we are far from that situation. Obviously each club is responsible for their own finances but La Liga should help rather than restrict them and also do a better job to bring more money to the league.
We now have a young superstar (Lamine) and stars in their prime years (Mbappe, Vini) but that is still far from enough to compete with a media hyped PL, especially considering a dire lack of talent in mid-and-lower table clubs who are primarily looking to survive day to day rather than stay competitive or having much hope for a longterm progress.
Maradona37
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Posts like this are why you're one of my favourite posters on here. Take a bow.
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