Hans-Dieter Flick

[jamrock]

Fabian ruiz was nothing especially either & miles off 😂😂😂😂.

Okay I won't ruin the flick trend with that one

 

[JamDav1982]

Fabian ruiz was nothing especially either & miles off 😂😂😂😂.

Okay I won't ruin the flick trend with that one

Aye just like Kessie and Tielamans being better than what Barca have.

Or Tonali.. or Barella.

Or Reijnders being the man.

Name enough midfielders and you will be right on one eventually at some point in future.

Enzo as sole DM was some claim also. Wild.

Who can forget 'Casado is better than Frenkie'.

Another topper.

From the lad who said Barca shouldnt sign Zubi but acts like never ever said it.. or that Rodri is 'ass'.

Lets sign Rabiot!

Easy game to play.

 

[gasgas]

My solution, return to 4-3-3

...........................garcia
Kounde.....Araujo......Christensen......Balde
...........................Eric....
...............de jong..........pedri.....
.Lamine.........Raphinha......Rashford


Lower the defensive line a bit,

 

[serghei]

I wonder what some of you think about Zubimendi vs De Jong. And how important players like Merino and Fabian are for Spain's midfield.

The whole idea about lone DM was never a thing. You can't really say Pep Barca played with a lone DM when that player had Xavi next to him. And a fullback like Alves cutting in also. There's so much instant support nearby at a glance thar you're never really alone. I don't know how this idea caught roots.

 

[JamDav1982]

I wonder what some of you think about Zubimendi vs De Jong. And how important players like Merino and Fabian are for Spain's midfield.

The whole idea about lone DM was never a thing. You can't really say Pep Barca played with a lone DM when that player had Xavi next to him. And a fullback like Alves cutting in also. There's so much instant support nearby at a glance thar you're never really alone. I don't know how this idea caught roots.

Not sure what you are trying to say.

Lone pivot probably died a death a bit after Pep/Busi showed world what a top player in that position could do.

Teams began to target that area more in build up as more teams played passing football and teams adapted to offer more options.. two players dropping deeper more often.

The reality is Busi never really dominated intl or CL football much at all past 2011.

Took a lot of hammerings and him looking a bit slow though even if still had some silky moments.

Look at Rodri.. exploded when Pep played double pivot and prior to that was not even a sure fire starter.

Even Luchos MSN team had Rakitic and Alves dropping/tucking in to help Busi a lot more than previously.

 

[jamrock]

Zubi easily better
Don't need to say why Just watch them.

He has that little X to his game that all top top Midfielders have and de jong has never had, which is why I will never rate him.

But he's good in that D.P, can give a good game when pedri is having a very good one, so not much to overly worry about with him, it's a wishful replacement more than a needed one right now, maybe in the medium term.

Lone DM was definitely a thing, if we want to get into X player drop or moving up then all formations are irrelevant, it just takes a special player who is highly press resistant to make it work because the opposition can easily close his space & passing lanes.

 

[JamDav1982]

Zubi easily better
Don't need to say why Just watch them.

He has that little X to his game that all top top Midfielders have and de jong has never had, which is why I will never rate him.

But he's good in that D.P, can give a good game when pedri is having a very good one, so not much to overly worry about with him, it's a wishful replacement more than a needed one right now, maybe in the medium term

Aye aye just like all the others.

You have no clue who to rate and didnt rate Zubi either when Xavi wanted him.

Arsenal have a very very solid side but as said before...

Arsenal win - its Zubi.
City win - its Reijnders
Liverpool win - Gravenberch
Chelsea - Its Enzo.

So if Arsenal/Zubi wins still more wrong on regardless but keep trying to cover all bases,

Same old excuses for Pedri.

 

[serghei]

Not sure what you are trying to say.

Lone pivot probably died a death a bit after Pep/Busi showed world what a top player in that position could do.

Teams began to target that area more in build up as more teams played passing football and teams adapted to offer more options.. two players dropping deeper more often.

The reality is Busi never really dominated intl or CL football much at all past 2011.

Took a lot of hammerings and him looking a bit slow though even if still had some silky moments.

That's what I'm saying. Busi never actually played lone DM in reality when Xavi was playing. In fact, I don't think it's a coincidence that Xavi had his best offensive season back when Yaya played DM, and Messi played RW. That was closer to a single pivot, probably because Yaya was built like a tank.

When Messi moved false 9, Xavi became more of a DM-CM. Was mostly a fluid 3 alternating between various shapes at will. Whenever Busi would get closed down, Xavi (mainly, but not exclusively) would defuse it. It wasn't really a rigid 1 to 2 with Busi being alone in midfield and Xavi and Iniesta waiting in more advanced positions.

 

[malvolio]

Journos going on about Alonso schooling Flick is BS. All they did was sit back and look to exploit the line which they knew we would play. Nothing fancy.

They capitalized on some calamitous defending for the second goal. It wasn't some tactical masterclass by any stretch.

That's why people are wrong in assessing a match only by the result. We were outplayed all game.

Dunno about tactivla schooling, but reality is they were far better.

 

[JamDav1982]

That's why people are wrong in assessing a match only by the result. We were outplayed all game.

Dunno about tactivla schooling, but reality is they were far better.

Fake news.

Despite how much you would like that to be the case.

 

[serghei]

There was no tactical schooling of any sort. They simply upped their intensity compared to last season and ours collapsed. And they upgraded their defense with that Carrera guy who seems in a different league to what they had before.

Not to mention injuries. We scored a lot of goals last season in the league vs Madrid based on Raphinha vs Vazquez duel.

 

[JamDav1982]

That's what I'm saying. Busi never actually played lone DM in reality when Xavi was playing. In fact, I don't think it's a coincidence that Xavi had his best offensive season back when Yaya played DM, and Messi played RW. That was closer to a single pivot, probably because Yaya was built like a tank.

When Messi moved false 9, Xavi became more of a DM-CM. Was mostly a fluid 3 alternating between various shapes at will. Whenever Busi would get closed down, Xavi (mainly, but not exclusively) would defuse it. It wasn't really a rigid 1 to 2 with Busi being alone in midfield and Xavi and Iniesta waiting in more advanced positions.

On Frenkie v Zubi.

Frenkie this season so far has more tackles/intercptions per 90 than Zubi and more recoveries also for example.

I like Zubi and he fits Arsenal well but he has nowhere near the job to try and do as Pedri and Frenkie have to do at Barca on both sides of ball.

 

[serghei]

On Frenkie v Zubi.

Frenkie this season so far has more tackles/intercptions per 90 than Zubi and more recoveries also for example.

I like Zubi and he fits Arsenal well but he has nowhere near the job to try and do as Pedri and Frenkie have to do at Barca on both sides of ball.

But how do we fix Pedri and De Jong having to do so much leg work without adding a stronger properly box to box midfielder? Don't think it's possible. Arsenal have Rice. Rice is a physical player with a big athletic presence in midfield. This is felt big time during the game.

With Olmo, Casado and Fermin we have none of that.

 

[JamDav1982]

But how do we fix Pedri and De Jong having to do so much leg work without adding a stronger phisical midfielder? Don't think it's possible. Arsenal have Rice. Rice is a physical player with a big athletic presence in midfield. This is felt big time during the game.

With Olmo, Casado and Fermin we have none of that.

Arsenal have a team full of them and best defence in the world of physical giants.

Likes of Timber looks class for them and levels above Kounde for example. Absolute ox.

Barca need to give Pedri/FDJ the best chance to dominate ball in games as can to make up for it as Barca going to lose physicaly battle to most top teams if dont. All over park.

 

[khaled_a_d]

I agree it's tough to land a top DM. It's easier to get a CM-AM but that player to work will need to be far stronger than Olmo. More like Merino. Or like Goretzka was. Or Fabian Ruiz. Someone with physical presence off the ball. Not a softer technical AM.

We are linked with Fisnik who is 1.88 cm and seems strong, but he playa like a SS type of AM. There plenty of talents to find in that position than a DM that would move Pedri-Frenkie duo.

I don't agree with midfield being a priority over attack. We essentially have 3 first team attackers under contract next year. That is Lamine, Raphinha & Torres. Rashford is on loan, Lewa won't be renewed. 4th is Roony if he continues to orove his worth. We can't go in the summer without at least one more addition, preferred two.