Hans-Dieter Flick

Hansi Flick - how do we rate him?


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MagIX

Senior Member
I wouldn’t swap Flick for any other manager not Pep, not Lucho, not Klopp ,no one. Flick is doing an outstanding job.

Last summer, if someone had predicted (given the squad we ended up with) that we’d go on to annihilate RM, fight for a treble until the very last second, and play such sensational football, they’d have been certified on the spot.
 

draconifire

NTC with a Positive attitude
Flick did fuck up with his subs. Should have taken off Martin & Cuba at half time. Shouldn't have subbed in Bernal.

Having said that, I think If Olmo showed up, this game would have been completely different. Our Midfield was a man down, and Rashford/Yamal not being extra aggressive, exaggerated the deficiency. Fermin wouldn't have been a pussy.
We played pretty good 1st half. Second half, we completely dropped the intensity, especially after the subs were made.

I am more pissed that we let them score a late winner than the way we got outplayed.
 

serghei

Senior Member
I don't see much reason to panic. We are one of the top teams around, but still have room to go. The fact is PSG has deeper squad with much bigger investments. Just an example, Gonzalo Ramos who came in late in the game and had a very good substitute performance was signed for 65m.

We lacked the actual leader of the team in Raphinha, and it was evident without him we just aren't as mean and intense as we should be. He's the de facto captain of the team no matter who wears the armband and regardless of club policies. I know PSG probably missed more starters than us, but they have more resources to replace them. Also, while they missed players in attack, the main stars in their defense + midfield were there and made a difference.

Flick has to get some things in order, and it's good this warning came early.

Sort out the primadonna attitude of Yamal. This shite stinks bad. Kid has to be well managed, or else I'm not opposed to a big sale in the future. Wouldn be well advised even. He has to understand he needs to work hard for the team. He will never be at the level of Messi to have the team work for him. The sooner he understands that, the less likely it's gonna be for him to develop into some Neymar-lite.

Maybe we should try disposing of an AM like Olmo for an extra defensive player in midfield when we face better teams than us. Develop some B plan. We don't have a stellar team like in the past to force top sides like PSG into playing our game. We have to adapt to them instead. It is necessary should we face them again in the knockouts.

There are some things that can be done on Flick's side to alleviate some issues, but in the end, we'll start as underdogs vs PSG at the moment. But it will be closer if we do things better. Imo last night's match was not as close as it should have been, for various reasons. If PSG had their star players in attack, it could have been much worse because we really played a shitty game.
 
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JamDav1982

Senior Member
Dont think Raphinha makes much difference yesterday.

Folk always look to who was missing in these games to claim they are the reason teams didnt do better etc.

Barca also collapsed v PSG last time with him in team and v Inter etc.

He hasnt been that great this season either.

A fit Balde and Raphinha on left you would expect to cope better with Hakimi but still it was more than that.

Mendes and that 17 year old tore Barca a new arsehole on other side and Barca struggled to play ball out.

Raphinha is another one that has been talking like a world beater too much lately.
 

Chomutov

Active member
Flick is a mediocre coach. Again and again team rushes forward in the dying minutes without brains and leaves acres of space behind them. Fullbacks always too close to the centerbacks leaving the flanks wide open. Same yesterday look at Balde. Jumps around somwhere im midfield. Idiotic and tactical suicide. Flick not able to sort this out. Always the same setup and he doesnt see it. Brainless Coach, overrated, tactically amateurish coaching. Never learns, does nothing against it ...
 

Rassvet

Well-known member
Xavi’s 3-2 is still the best CL win v Lucho’s PSG in last 2 and some seasons.

Xavi haters will find this hard to stomach :mou:
Dortmund beat them in both legs next round. Arsenal Bayern, and Atletico all beat them in CL last season too and Chelsea smashed them in CWC.

Xavi's been exposed so much his backers have to resort to trolling/lying to prop him up now.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Good coach and they all need a humbling at times.

Argentina needed it during WC to change team, Lucho himself was struggling a year ago until found a sytsem that worked.

If he is a top top coach he will adapt.

That doesnt mean win it but stop the same issues occuring in these games.
 

KingLeo10

Senior Member
Dortmund beat them in both legs next round. Arsenal Bayern, and Atletico all beat them in CL last season too and Chelsea smashed them in CWC.

Xavi's been exposed so much his backers have to resort to trolling/lying to prop him up now.
Knew this mongrel would seethe and cry at the slightest compliment of a Barca legend :lol:

The 3-2 was at Parc de Princes in a KO round. Only the Dortmund win is remotely comparable.

Lol at bringing up CWC.
 
Flick is a mediocre coach. Again and again team rushes forward in the dying minutes without brains and leaves acres of space behind them. Fullbacks always too close to the centerbacks leaving the flanks wide open. Same yesterday look at Balde. Jumps around somwhere im midfield. Idiotic and tactical suicide. Flick not able to sort this out. Always the same setup and he doesnt see it. Brainless Coach, overrated, tactically amateurish coaching. Never learns, does nothing against it ...

Deserves a ban for this comment (n)
 

serghei

Senior Member
Well, I just watched the match again.

Several things caused us this loss and this poor performance, other than PSG's superior individual quality on some key positions.

We stubbornly pressed players that should have not been pressed. This rendered our pressing to be suicidal and this also caused our players to be dead tired late in the game. We finished the last 15 mins in particular on our knees. If PSG had their main players available, they could have scored 3-4 goals in the last stretch of the game.

This is on Flick, simply put he got outclassed by Luis Enrique. Why? Why would you press everything that moves? Just keep position and press strategically, on key progression routes, which are well known and studied by now for PSG. We pressed like idiots. Completely broken down the entire structure. Some low-threat players got pressed, while some other marquee players and playmakers for PSG were left to do as they pleased.

Once the initial press was beaten relatively easy, PSG had quick access to open players.

Rashford had an extremely lazy performance in defense. Ran sporadically, and chaotically, showing a poor tactical understanding of the game and a mentality problem. Just not a player cut out for a big game except if he somehow scores a great goal.

Pedri very poor match. Poorer than it seemed last night. De Jong not great either. Both also suffered because Olmo played as if he was not part of the midfield three. Maybe by design, considering he is a no10 sort of, or CAM, and not played as an 8. Either way, midfield was outnumbered easily.

We somehow managed to combine idiotic pressing with defending deep in 2nd half. Caught between two equally bad ends.

Expected to find more laziness for Lamine, but not that much. In fact, his selfishness in offense at times was his biggest issue. Played as if he had a chip on his shoulders, reminded me of a Vinicius performance from last season. No surprise both are clownish characters.

Expected Mendes to stand out more than Hakimi, but Hakimi had an absolute partidazo. Vitinha as well in the 2nd half. Mendes maybe steals the show more while seeing the game live, but Hakimi is the superior player once you pay close attention.

Zabarny was damn hard to press. If we figured he was a liability on the ball, we were dead wrong.

Ferran Torres had a poor match.

The best in defense was Kounde, followed by Eric Garcia. In individual duels, Cubarsi and especially Martin were poor. Martin lost many individual duels indeed. At least 5-6. 3-4 times to Barcola alone, 2-3 times when Hakimi's fitness and stamina ran us ragged in the 2nd half. He is responsible to 70-80% of failed 1 vs 1 duels. By comparison, Kounde won more 1 vs 1 duels than he lost.

In fact, in the first half, the only serious situation Barcola had was when he switched sides to have a taste of Martin (shot over the post after he punishes Martin individually twice in the same play). Barcola probably switched sides as he wasn't getting involved much vs Kounde on our right.

Over watching the game again, the biggest cause for the loss was a completely botched pressing approach, that barely troubled PSG. We were incredibly over ambitious on the night to downright stupid, without either the required quality on the ball, the required athleticism, and the brains to know how to adapt to a better opponent.

At times, as dumb and suicidal as our press was 80% of the time, occasionally we did catch PSG, this is how we created some of our few chances. But it was far too rare, and in those instances where we did make it happen, Ferran and Lamine were considerably worse than Rashford.

Also, it was incredibly dumb to ask from our fullbacks to press the other teams' fullbacks. We did this repeatedly. What the hell were we thinking, those are 80m runs. You humanly can't do that. You don't see Hakimi do that lol. PSG are far more strategic and clever than us.

Instead of doing this, be smart. Why use the forwards to fucking press the keepers or the CBs? Fucking cut the passes to likes of Vitinha, Hakimi, and Mendes, the players who make their entire game. Let the keepers stay on the ball, let Zabarny stay on the ball, let Pacho stay on the ball. And aproach them from an angle while trying to have likes of Mendes, Vitinha, and Hakimi in your cover shadow. That's smart pressing.

Instead, we idiotically pressed everything that moves as if Zabarny and Hakimi pose the same value of threat. Sorry, but it was a match very poorly prepared. We did try more than it seemed on live watch, but the plan was doomed from the get go.
 
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