Hans-Dieter Flick

[mc_lovin]

He's played K.O football 2/3 times between the CL and world cup, with no mitigating factors and loss them all.

Again, that's what happens to every other coach, national team and club with whatever system as well, no? Bar that freak Real run. Only one club can win every year. There's not much data here.

I have my reservations about Flicks football, but the data set is too small for any meaningful conclusion.

Or does every other club play the same system and Flick is the exception? And if Flicks system was working he should beat them all at least 50% of the time?

 

[freetocan]

CF will fuck us up if we don't do anything. On the wings we can at least get lucky and have a mostly injury free season (+Ferran is decent everywhere). I have zero trust in another good Lewy season.

Flopski suppose to be ALREADY retired by now. Only Flick might still believe in this gigolo clown who is able to make 100+ push ups but barely move his butt on the pitch. It could be ridiculous enough to still count on this clown.

 

[jamrock]

Again, that's what happens to every other coach, national team and club with whatever system as well, no? Bar that freak Real run. Only one club can win every year. There's not much data here.

I have my reservations about Flicks football, but the data set is too small for any meaningful conclusion.

Or does every other club play the same system and Flick is the exception? And if Flicks system was working he should beat them all at least 50% of the time?

How many of those managers and bombing forward with 5 minutes left to win a game, that's already won?.

Like I said Covid CL, so you'll have to hit me up, when he does it in CL proper.

Empty stadiums, one game decides it, Bayern so no competition in the league.

No Wonder PSG and Bayern made the final.

 

[Loki]

It's those fine margins that make a HUGE difference to the result. You have a better lb than Martin and the goal doesn't happen. You have a better cb than Araujo and the goal doesn't happen. Against PSG last season we beat them away and collapsed at home. This time against Inter we fought back twice and had probably the finest 45 minutes in the CL since 2015. And we did it with a second choice cf and two second choice full backs. Perspective needed.

You list reasons here why we didn't advanced. These reasons have nothing to do with ceiling, as they're easy avoidable on any other day. A ceiling is, if you can't get past a point because you lack something in general, not in this moment that you usually can easily avoid.
It's not about having better defenders in general, just them defending a bit better in that moment to advance further. Araujo stops Thuram more times than he does not in this situation. Give Martin 100 tries to stop the goal, he'll do it a decent amount of times.

 

[serghei]

How many of those managers and bombing forward with 5 minutes left to win a game, that's already won?.

Like I said Covid CL, so you'll have to hit me up, when he does it in CL proper.

Empty stadiums, one game decides it, Bayern so no competition in the league.

No Wonder PSG and Bayern made the final.

We didn't bomb forward IMO, that's an exaggeration. We just didn't drop back behind the ball. It's not like our fullback Martin was caught in attack. He was there in the backline, as well as Araujo.

Also, the fact that some of our players didn't drop, it means Inter as well could not bomb forward and put pressure. That's why they only had 1 player in the box, Acerbi, and not 3-4.

 

[jamrock]

We didn't bomb forward IMO, that's an exaggeration. We just didn't drop back behind the ball. It's not like our fullback Martin was caught in attack. He was there in the backline, as well as Araujo.

Also, the fact that some of our players didn't drop, it means Inter as well could not bomb forward and put pressure. That's why they only had 1 player in the box, Acerbi, and not 3-4.

Okay if you think so, either way anything would have been better than what was done.

Terrible game close out management, that's the time you need your manager.

 

[serghei]

Anyway, what I want to see is us playing Flick's system with defenders who are not bums. This means selling Araujo this summer, and singing a capable defender instead of him.

Instant improvement imo. I mean, we signed old Inigo for free some time ago and he's the best defender we have atm. Absolutely impossible we don't improve this defense if we actually bring someone fast, strong, who can proparly handle players in duels. He doesn't have to be amazing passer, just competent in this area.

 

[freetocan]

Okay if you think so, either way anything would have been better than what was done.

Terrible game close out management, that's the time you need your manager.

This game was well analyzed from all possible angles and the only main conclusion is Flicks mismanagement even with our poor trash defenders.

 

[serghei]

Yes, but the discussion is whether Flick football can work with some upgrades in defense. I think it can work for sure. It's impossible to not improve the defense if you sell a bum who can't pass and can't mark players, and bring a good CB instead.

 

[jamrock]

Anyway, what I want to see is us playing Flick's system with defenders who are not bums. This means selling Araujo this summer, and singing a capable defender instead of him.

Instant improvement imo.

Me too, because it will show it won't make a difference.

But he's a smart manager, he'll know his mistake and won't put his defenders in that position again, so whoever replaces araujo won't have to deal with that.

Even though araujo could have done better after the structure failed.

We got a easy path 2 years in a row, hopefully we get one again next season.

 

[serghei]

Me too, because it will show it won't make a difference.

But he's a smart manager, he'll know his mistake and won't put his defenders in that position again, so whoever replaces araujo won't have to deal with that.

Even though araujo could have done better after the structure failed.

We got a easy path 2 years in a row, hopefully we get one again next season.

That's true. Even if his wildly risky system can work with a better CB, if we do both, which is sign some better defenders and have Flick be more flexible in his approach... the improvement over our defense will be even greater, with minimal consequences for our attack.

That would be ideal.

 

[Messigician]

Which team has ever done it bar Bayern and they only had to play 1 legs.

You don't need to be juve, but you have the dial it back a bit, not every touch of the ball needs push you forward for a next goal.

Possession for the sake of it is good sometimes, especially in K.O games

This even pep and Klopp understood this

 

[mc_lovin]

How many of those managers and bombing forward with 5 minutes left to win a game, that's already won?.

Like I said Covid CL, so you'll have to hit me up, when he does it in CL proper.

Empty stadiums, one game decides it, Bayern so no competition in the league.

No Wonder PSG and Bayern made the final.

Just saying the sample size is retarded. That's all.

 

[jamrock]

Just saying the sample size is retarded. That's all.

I know and you're wrong that's all I'm saying.

 

[Gaudi]

I'm also not sure new defenders would make a difference as we need fast, tall, technically gifted, high IQ defender...I mean if we pick best 11 on all position then this is a computer game not reality.
Again, our mids and attackers also looked poor with all the managers before Flick as they were always 1 against 2 or 3 thanks to our sloooow build up. Now they look good. Of course, that doesn't mean they are all the best in their position but all look capable. I think our defenders would look the same with the game that suits them. Since, we are always going to be attacking team, and that's good, we just need some pragmatism during the march.