Hans-Dieter Flick

Hansi Flick - how do we rate him?


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BJJ

Well-known member
There isn't a single manager in the world who can play this kind of football with this squad and deliver success.
NOT ONE.
Flick has his flaws but he is unique. I always knew a treble was a bridge too far but one can always dream. Pep and Lucho were lucky. Look at who they had in their teams.
I called it correctly. I said a UCL semi would be our ceiling. If we want to win it we need at least 5 new, quality players.
Madrid, City will throw the kitchen sink in the transfer window. We struggle to even register players and people still expect us to win CL.
 

BJJ

Well-known member
If we had no chance in the semis, you can call this a ceiling. Being 2 minutes away from the finals has nothing to do with a ceiling.
It's those fine margins that make a HUGE difference to the result. You have a better lb than Martin and the goal doesn't happen. You have a better cb than Araujo and the goal doesn't happen. Against PSG last season we beat them away and collapsed at home. This time against Inter we fought back twice and had probably the finest 45 minutes in the CL since 2015. And we did it with a second choice cf and two second choice full backs. Perspective needed.
 

BJJ

Well-known member
We need a cb, a full back ,a physical dm, a gk and a cf.
We don't have the money to make that happen.
Funny how managers like Pep and Lucho moan about needing players if ONE guy is injured.
Flick has played the cards he has been dealt. Can't say that about other successful managers.
 

serghei

Senior Member
In the end we have to understand and accept, even if it's very difficult, that all managers make mistakes at times under pressure. Those mistakes under pressure, and the very small margins, make CL very difficult to win. In CL every big mistake you make, it tends to get punished.

A team with the offensive power of Flick Barcelona, even with those injuries, could have only gone out to Inter if we made very big mistakes. We made them, and we're out.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
The K.O performances has just further cemented what I thought about the covid CL.

Playing his high risk football and winning getting through over two legs, is highly unlikely.

Covid bubble and one leg gave him an advantage.

But it is what it is, just please don't throw away the league title I beg you.
 

mc_lovin

Senior Member
I don't blame him at all. CL is decided in details and injuries played a major role this time. That being said next season will be infinitely harder. Unless the Club world cup fucks up our competition.
 

Messi983

Senior Member
Hansi Flick fucked it big time imo.

Firstly he overused our starting players in games already confortably won even by HT and kept playing them absolutely for no reason instead rotating/resting them and give chances to the likes of Victor, Fort, Martin even Ferran particularly when he knew all to well he doesn't have quality subs for them.

Thus the starters got more and more fatigued and injury risking. The result was Lewa, Balde and Kounde all got injured in the most critical part of the season and he had to start playing the players he didn't sub even when winning confortably in LL vs. the fecking Inter in the fecking SF of CL out of them all.

Secondly, he didn't manage to make Barca able to defend Inter who is not a great attacking side by any means. Inter scored in two leggs whenever they needed it. I thought Flick learned his lesson and that the return leg won't start AGAIN from 2-0 for Inter but guess what, that's exactly what happend in both matches. Inter scored 7 goals out of 10 shots on target, that's completely unacceptable.

He also started Olmo at Milano instead of starting Fermin who could run and press more and bring Olmo when Inter was starting to get tired.

He persisted with Martin too.

Ofc individual blunders weren't on him but still, he is the first to blame for what eventually happend to the team in CL desipite individual errors.

Great post.

I was complaining about his inability to rotate since October and that we'll pay the price end of the season. And now it happened. But I'm sure his fan boys for whom he can't do anything wrong will try to say tiredness didn't play any role.

As I've said before Flick is a "sprint" manager, not a "marathon" one. He would be the best coach in history if season would last 2-3 months and he could go all in for that period with his best players. It's also the same way he won that Covid CL that still comes with a big asterisk from me (and it's not because of the 8-2). Maybe he's just not used he has to play meaningful league games in April coming from a Bayernliga where the league is basically won in August. We'll see how/if he'll adapt next season. Squad depth probably won't be much improved so he'll have to use what he'll have at his disposal better.

One thing in our favor is we won't play in CWC (ofc purely from a sporting perspective, from a financial one we could definitely use that money) so we should be more rested compared to Madrid and most other top European teams who have better squad depth. But if I see us beating a newly promoted team 7-0 again in September/October and Flick still playing Lamine and Raphinha full 90 minutes then I'll know he has not learned anything.

People here were defending Flick and saying he only rests players when his staff (physios/doctors) tell him to do that. There was a story that dr. Minarro (RIP) told Lewa he won't play in that Osasuna game that was later ofc rescheduled. So don't know if he was the one responsible to tell Flick which players he thinks are fit to play and who needs a rest (and ofc I don't want to bad mouth a dead man) but Flick should also know better.

Not many players are tired in November but they will be in April when their minutes accumulate. And starting to rest them late in the season is mostly just a damage control. He should prevent that from the start. And at the same time give fringe players a chance to also prove themselves or at least "keep them warm" in case they will be needed. Not that you then get to the Valladolid game where you not only start two players coming off longterm injuries (which itself is a big enough risk) but also 3-4 players who have not played in months despite being available.

Yeah, we had injuries first half of the season but from January to April we mostly had full bench minus MATS, AC and Bernal but Flick's squad (mis)management made his bench look even shorter than it really is.


Another thing I dislike is Flick's in game management that is basically the same as his in-season one. He can only go full speed. He can't slow down and control the game. Always looking for that forward pass (that often ends in opponent's possession so we need to waste energy to get the ball back). There are just game situations when you need to take result/opponent into account and become a bit more conservative. And when leading with just a few minutes left against an even more tired opponent that's the moment to do that. Go dribble towards a corner flag, put the ball in the stands every 10 seconds, roll on the ground for half a minute. Just whatever. That's what all experienced winning teams are doing (you can either be that - a winning team or look good in a loss, so whatever you prefer). And most of them for prolonged period. I don't want to time waste for 20-30 minutes every game like Getafe. But for the last 2-3 minutes when leading I'll absolutely take it if the alternative is to concede a late goal because we can't defend (and we've seen more than enough evidence over the years, not just this season, a word defending is not in Barca players and coaches vocabulary).

And it's not like we've not been warned before, for example league game against Atletico at Montjuic when we were pushing for a winning goal and lost. Hopefully that won't come back to bite us and we'll finish the job in El Clasico on Sunday but if we'll somehow bottle and lose La Liga for a point that Atleti game will always be the one I will look at.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
We got a good opportunity two years in a row to make the final and fucked it up.

But at least they weren't Mister level of fuck ups lol.

Disappointing but you move on.
 

serghei

Senior Member
It's completely possible to play high risk and win the CL, but you need a balanced squad with more quality in all positions. There's no way the team concedes as many goals as we did vs Inter with a top tier defender in the backline. No matter the risky tactics. We probably knock Inter out in a very clear manner with a solid CB leading the defense.

But let's face it. Araujo is trash, Inigo is just a medium-level CB, not very good, Cubarsi is raw and makes frequent errors due to lack of experience... too many problems in defense because the squad is not giving you enough in that area.

The vast majority of the goals were conceded from stupid individual errors. Big errors, and not the type of errors you can pin down to Flick imo. The quality of defenders we have is not good enough to cope with Flick ball requirements. Simple as that.

The only thing Flick can be blamed for was not defending in numbers when we got ahead knowing the defense is filled with bench players and subpar defenders. But it's tough to blame him overall. We outplayed Inter.
 
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Barcaman

Administrator
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Pretty sure someone already said it:

Inter had experienced internationals to come in for extra time while Flick had no choice but to play Fort and Victor.

Squad is simply too thin and when the injuries hit and you have to make subs anyway due to fatigue...

Really can't point fingers at anyone except Araujo. Would excuse him too but it's not the first time he disappoints. Maybe it's a mental thing.
 

freetocan

Member
We need a cb, a full back ,a physical dm, a gk and a cf.
We don't have the money to make that happen.
Funny how managers like Pep and Lucho moan about needing players if ONE guy is injured.
Flick has played the cards he has been dealt. Can't say that about other successful managers.
You are right regarding the quality of players he had at the moment, only. Still, what made the difference between lost and win game was his tactic in the most important timing of the game. Most of the people on this forum saw and agree with that. There are moments in any game when you, as a couch, has to prove that you are flexible, have a plan B all the time and change the tactic accordingly. He just needed to ask players to defend that 3-2 advantage for 7-8 min. That’s ALL. He failed that big time.
Hopefully he learnt his lesson and will not persist in this going further.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
It's completely possible to play high risk and win the CL, but you need a balanced squad with more quality in all positions. There's no way the team concedes as many goals as we did vs Inter with a top tier defender in the backline. No matter the risky tactics. We probably knock Inter out in a very clear manner with a solid CB leading the defense.

But let's face it. Araujo is trash, Inigo is just a medium-level CB, not very good, Cubarsi is raw and makes frequent errors due to lack of experience... too many problems in defense because the squad is not giving you enough in that area.

The vast majority of the goals were conceded from stupid individual errors. Big errors, and not the type of errors you can pin down to Flick imo. The quality of defenders we have is not good enough to cope with Flick ball requirements. Simple as that.

The only thing Flick can be blamed for was not defending in numbers when we got ahead knowing the defense is filled with bench players and subpar defenders. But it's tough to blame him overall. We outplayed Inter.

Which team has ever done it bar Bayern and they only had to play 1 legs.

You don't need to be juve, but you have the dial it back a bit, not every touch of the ball needs push you forward for a next goal.

Possession for the sake of it is good sometimes, especially in K.O games
 

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