Ballon d'Or 2025

[Maradona37]

I mean can you really compare my love for Maradona AS A FOOTBALLER to the way you carry on with Ronaldo, Lewy, Mourinho, Kaka (wanking over how he 'never ages') and Beckham?

Surely people can see the huge distinction Trying to make out Maradona as anywhere near as big a target for 'celebrity worshipping' as Beckham or Ronaldo is inventive, even for you.

If he was then why do people say Beckham superseded George Best as the next 'celebrity footballer'? No fucking mention of Diego who came between them.

You seem obsessed with usernames and avatars, which are often light-hearted anyway. This is reaching even for you. Like you trying to claim @KingLeo10 is a Real Madrid fan just because he has an avatar of Zidane. As desperate as Ronaldo would be without money, fame and plastic surgery.

 

[Maradona37]

Anyway, I won't be giving you any more of what you want. You are a troll looking for a response, and you have had enough from me. I won't be reading any prospective replies directly towards me.

 

[soul24rage]

 

[KingLeo10]

Yet another thread derailed by Baljeet pining and dancing for his favorite men?

The men in Bangalore owe Barcaforum big time - if Baljeet wasn’t camped up here 24/7, he would be Jeffrey Dahmer’ing those lads

 

[vegitot]

You keep strawman-ing and drifting off-topic to save your ass, after being slapped in the face with Scolari's and Rivaldo's own statements...

But I will give it one last try:
1) I never said Beckham carried anyone. I said him and Giggs were IMO the best players of that treble-winning UTD. Some might add Keane, that's OK

2) No, his best individual season in numbers was 00-01, and 2002 WC the best version of himself according to his own statements.

3) I don't give a fuck whether he was more explosive in 1999, as this is not the point of the argument at all. The question is WHEN he was best individually, and that according to both data, eye-test, and statements of the protagonist themselves, including the player, is not the 98-99

4) No matter how you spin it, Copa America is a small NT title, can't be compared to Euro, let alone WC.

5) Since, you still distort the argument on purpose, I will write it one last time: the Ballon D'Or is not decided only on best individual performances, but also on importance for the sides that won the most important titles (which is neither Copa America, nor LL). It has always been a pendulum between the two

In sum: Take your huge L for being stubborn on things you don't know, and walk

So can Il Professore explained why Cruyff won over Muller in 1974 when Muller won European Cup and World Cup while Cruyff won jack shit like Rivaldo?

Or why Van Basten won in 1992 over Stoichkov?

Or why Alvarez not 2023 winner because he won the treble and World Cup?

Or why Il Professore think Nedved robbed Henry while he won Serie A and led Juventus to UCL final and Henry won mighty FA cup?

Or why Cannavaro won Serie a and World Cup and robbed Ronaldinho according to Il Professore logic?

Rivaldo was invidually the best in 1999, as he showed it on the pitch. He didn't need media like English media to push for him like Beckham. He won major tittles with Barca and Brazil (outshone even Ronaldo at his prime).

"Beckham is better than Rivaldo"

Barca fan my ass.

 

[vegitot]

Clueless.

Scholes wasn't even voted as a top 3 United player of the season in any season at the club by the United players and the staff. Not once in 20 odd years. Not Twitter kids but people who played with him everyday. He got massively overrated after his retirement because of 2 good quotes from the likes of Zidane and Iniesta (things they have said about numerous players BTW).

Everybody at the club said Beckham and Keane were the best and most influential players in that team. Many people claimed Beckham deserved the golden ball. Even if he didn't deserve it nobody argued against him finishing second.

He's underrated because of celebrity status. Clueless folks say shit like he was just a good looking guy who was overrated.

Also being the best crosser of all time and one of the best set piece takers of all time with great defensive and offensive work rate is already one heck of a player. On top of that, there's his passing range, shooting ability and Football IQ. He could do it all except dribble really.

R9, Zizou, Carlos, etc rated him very highly and loved playing with him.

Scholes is overrated i agree. Guys like Zidane, Xavi praised him a lot though.

Beckham was overrated when he was active but somewhat underrated after he retired, like you point out. But he was never close to be the world best player. Like Jorginho best player in the world in 2021, what a joke.

 

[Maradona37]

Yet another thread derailed by Baljeet pining and dancing for his favorite men?

The men in Bangalore owe Barcaforum big time - if Baljeet wasn’t camped up here 24/7, he would be Jeffrey Dahmer’ing those lads

Lol I tried to get on with him (even though he ignored me every time), but he's just a troll who's trying to wind people up on here. From now on if he says something stupid again I will not be cordial with him.

Also, as my list shows, he prefers them white

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

what a 'discussion' guys, should have rather used that time for sleep 🤣

 

[MonteCuler]

When I saw Dembele vs Yamal stats I was actually quite surprised. With how media pictured it I had the idea that Dembele clears him in this regard.

Ousmane Dembele

56 matches
35 goals
14 assists
49 G/A
66 dribbles completed (2.08 dribbles per 90)
24 goal scoring actions (0.76 per 90)
10 tackles won (0.23 per 90)
29 tackles + interceptions (0.91 p90)
74 ball recoveries (2.33 p90)

11 MOTM in CL and Ligue 1 based on Whoscored

Lamine Yamal

61 matches
21 goals
22 assists
43 G/A
217 dribbles completed (4.98 dribbles 90)
40 goal scoring actions (0.92 p90)
47 tackles won ( 0.84 p90)
77 tackles + interceptions (1.75 p90)
168 ball recoveries (3.85 ball per 90)

14 MOTM in CL and La Liga based on Whoscored


Then add to this the fact Lamine generally performed better than Dembele, or anyone else

Will they really give it to Dembele because he has 6 g/a more (playing in a vastly inferior league) and a UCL trophy?

Both deserve it, in my opinion. But now I'm inclined to believe Lamine deserves it just a little bit more.

 

[Maradona37]

Ball recoveries and tackles and interceptions is quite surprising given people seem to think Lamine isn't as defensively good as Dembele and that Dembele presses better and works harder.

 

[jamrock]

Not a little bit more, a fair bit more

Everything PSG does in France should be discounted, much the same way they rightly did it with Bayern when they won the CL.

So it's basically a CL, vs a Domestic double, if we are looking at trophies.

Because on the field, it's not close.

 

[Don Juan Laporta Estruch]

The more time goes by, the more it is becoming categorically obvious that anything other than Lamine winning the Ballon, would be a completely unjust robbery for the ages.

Dembele scored most of his goals against the likes of Tits ( Brest ) and Asse ( St. Etienne )

 

[DonAK]

The award is for the best player of the year. Not the one who scored most goals or won the most trophies.

The only time the award historically is skewed towards a trophy is when it's about the World Cup which I suppose is fair enough since it happens every four years and is the pinnacle of the sport. The highest peak.

 

[Birdy]

So can Il Professore explained why Cruyff won over Muller in 1974 when Muller won European Cup and World Cup while Cruyff won jack shit like Rivaldo?

Or why Van Basten won in 1992 over Stoichkov?

Or why Alvarez not 2023 winner because he won the treble and World Cup?

Or why Il Professore think Nedved robbed Henry while he won Serie A and led Juventus to UCL final and Henry won mighty FA cup?

Or why Cannavaro won Serie a and World Cup and robbed Ronaldinho according to Il Professore logic?

Rivaldo was invidually the best in 1999, as he showed it on the pitch. He didn't need media like English media to push for him like Beckham. He won major tittles with Barca and Brazil (outshone even Ronaldo at his prime).

"Beckham is better than Rivaldo"

Barca fan my ass.

I said for those who have minimal brain to understand that the criteria have always been best player PLUS most important player in trophy-winning teams. I never said it's the one and not the other.

- And yes: Nedved robbed Henry, because he was nowhere near the level or importance of the latter. Juve winning Serie A means jackshit in the grand scheme of important titles that year. Milan won UCL, and no other title. Obviously, the 'best individually' should have weighed heavier that season, and the award should have gone to Henry

- Same with Cannavaro frauding his way to Ballon D Or. He was a great defender, but nowhere near getting that type of award. Even in that Italy NT there were players like Pirlo deserving the award more than him.

Other cases you mention are again strawmans by you

PS: I was Barca fan when you were still in your cradle drinking your mother's milk.
You are prob another bandwagoner that jumped into Barca's ship the golden years of Pep

 

[Birdy]

The award is for the best player of the year. Not the one who scored most goals or won the most trophies.

The only time the award historically is skewed towards a trophy is when it's about the World Cup which I suppose is fair enough since it happens every four years and is the pinnacle of the sport. The highest peak.

You are totally wrong here, and only a look at the last 5 years is enough:

Modric won in 2018 without being the best player that year.
Messi won in 2021 without being the best player that year.
Messi won in 2023 without being the best player that year.
Rodri won in 2024 without being the best player that year.

You have to understand that the "importance for most important titles" criterion is there