Ballon d'Or 2025

[Rassvet]

Clueless.

Scholes wasn't even voted as a top 3 United player of the season in any season at the club by the United players and the staff. Not once in 20 odd years. Not Twitter kids but people who played with him everyday. He got massively overrated after his retirement because of 2 good quotes from the likes of Zidane and Iniesta (things they have said about numerous players BTW).

Everybody at the club said Beckham and Keane were the best and most influential players in that team. Many people claimed Beckham deserved the golden ball. Even if he didn't deserve it nobody argued against him finishing second.

He's underrated because of celebrity status. Clueless folks say shit like he was just a good looking guy who was overrated.

Also being the best crosser of all time and one of the best set piece takers of all time with great defensive and offensive work rate is already one heck of a player. On top of that, there's his passing range, shooting ability and Football IQ. He could do it all except dribble really.

R9, Zizou, Carlos, etc rated him very highly and loved playing with him.

I actually rate Scholes a lot. I think he was more talented than likes of Pirlo or Kroos.

His problem was that United and English style of football back then wasn't as suited to technical midfielders like that compared to Serie A or La Liga of the past 10-15 years.

If you judge in terms of his impact during his career, then yeah he falls a bit short of some of these other mids. If judged by his talent and what he could have been playing in the same teams/leagues that they did, then he belongs in the conversation.

 

[Temptation]

A "neutral" dissing Real Madrid which is objectively the biggest and most successful club in the world is anything but the "right side of history".

It's by definition the wrong side of history.

Anyways my point was Rivaldo deserved the golden ball but Beckham was a deserving runner up and Keane deserved to be right up there too.

 

[Maradona37]

Where did I diss Real Madrid? I am on record as saying they're the biggest club in the world, even though I prefer Barcelona. I never claimed to be neutral. I don't supprt Barca, but I greatly prefer them to Real and always have.

Also, Real Madrid are cunts, just like Man United and Ronaldo and Beckham. So personality wise, I am closer to the right side.

Also, stop putting words in my mouth. I never once said Beckham was a complete bum or didn't deserve to be recognised. Your behaviour, ad homs and lies in here have been appalling. All because you want to shag Beckham and Ronaldo.

 

[Temptation]

I actually rate Scholes a lot. I think he was more talented than likes of Pirlo or Kroos.

His problem was that United and English style of football back then wasn't as suited to technical midfielders like that compared to Serie A or La Liga of the past 10-15 years.

Disagree. I don't think he could manipulate the ball like Pirlo or Xavi. He wasn't particularly good in tight spaces either and couldn't pass and move effectively.

He was an outstanding passer of the ball, had a good shot on him and was very smart.

He notoriously couldn't tackle to save his life. Not that good at set pieces.

Great player but not as good as Pirlo who was absolutely magical. Pirlo had more to his game.

 

[Maradona37]

You seem to rate players by how many things they can do, like ticking things off a checklist of completeness.

Scholes couldn't tackle (or more accurately he could but deliberately tried to take out the opposition players, he was more dirty than incapable, like Gerrard in that sense).

Saying Scholes was poor in tight spaces and couldn't play pass and move is absolute fucking bollocks and proves you never watched these players or lived through this. That applies much more to Beckham who was a failed central midfielder later in his career. You can't control games in midfield if you cannot play pass and move.

The state of you in this thread. You're embarrassing. Just say you hate Scholes and leave it there.

 

[Rassvet]

Disagree. I don't think he could manipulate the ball like Pirlo or Xavi. He wasn't particularly good in tight spaces either and couldn't pass and move effectively.

He was an outstanding passer of the ball, had a good shot on him and was very smart.

He notoriously couldn't tackle to save his life. Not that good at set pieces.

Great player but not as good as Pirlo who was absolutely magical. Pirlo had more to his game.

true that Scholes was worst in tight spaces and dribbling away from pressure but he was the best "quarterback" style passer among them when it came to sitting in midfield spraying balls around

 

[Temptation]

It's 2025. Saying you want to shag him or you have a man crush isn't the insult you think it is. Especially coming from a person who claims to be a liberal.

Clearly a regressive dinosaur hiding behind a liberal image. The mask is slipping.

Also hilariously out of place considering all my posts were analyzing Beckham's Footballing attributes and weaknesses and had nothing to do with looks. Not my fault if people get wound up by some basic level analysis of a player.

 

[Maradona37]

true that Scholes was worst in tight spaces and dribbling away from pressure but he was the best "quarterback" style passer among them when it came to sitting in midfield spraying balls around

He could play short pass and move too. Temptation is acting like all he could do was playing 40 yard diagonals. He controlled games through pass and move and was better in tight spaces than he's giving him credit for (obviously not as good as Xavi, Pirlo, Iniesta).

He seems to think Scholes was just some long ball merchant who could strike a ball at goal. Ironically that describes Gerrard much more than Scholes.

 

[Maradona37]

It's 2025. Saying you want to shag him or you have a man crush isn't the insult you think it is. Especially coming from a person who claims to be a liberal.

Clearly a regressive dinosaur hiding behind a liberal image. The mask is slipping.

Also hilariously out of place considering all my posts were analyzing Beckham's Footballing attributes and weaknesses and had nothing to do with looks. Not my fault if people get wound up by some basic level analysis of a player.

You're funny as fuck. I am far from right wing. I don't care if you're gay or bi, what I care about is you overrating footballers because you fancy them.

We all know you have a man crush on Beckham. yes you have argued his football ability (poorly) but we know you are predisposed to loving celebrities. You have proved it many times on here and many other posters than myself have accused you of being a celebrity worshipper.

'Basic level analysis ' is so so right.

And I still maintain you're about 25 and saw not a single one of these players live in their prime.

 

[Temptation]

Beckham isn't a CM. He was an RM in a 442. Irrelevant point. It's like saying Xavi is crap because he can't play as an LM. Beckham doesn't need to pass and move. He can cross early from the flanks and find the strikers at will like nobody else could. Pass and move is tougher and more essential for central midfielders who are surrounded by opponents in all directions. Beckham was perfect for that era of 442 Football.

 

[Temptation]

"Celebrity worshipper"

Somebody remind him of his username.

Nobody cares about the retarded mental gymnastics. Maradona was treated like a fucking rockstar in his peak and was one of the biggest celebrities ever. Keep coping. You have a lot of practice in that department.

 

[Maradona37]

I cannot be bothered arguing with you anymore. You're an indisidious troll who has ruined this thread by bringing up Scholes out of absolutely nowhere, just to satisfy your love for Gerrard and Beckham.

 

[Temptation]

true that Scholes was worst in tight spaces and dribbling away from pressure but he was the best "quarterback" style passer among them when it came to sitting in midfield spraying balls around

No doubt about that. He was unreal at that.

 

[Maradona37]

Beckham isn't a CM. He was an RM in a 442. Irrelevant point. It's like saying Xavi is crap because he can't play as an LM. Beckham doesn't need to pass and move. He can cross early from the flanks and find the strikers at will like nobody else could. Pass and move is tougher and more essential for central midfielders who are surrounded by opponents in all directions. Beckham was perfect for that era of 442 Football.

Again he tried to play CM later in his career, and in the 1999 CL Final, because he couldn't play pass and move. He always wanted to play there - he admitted he wasnted to - but he didn't have the ability to do it.

Nobody ever claimed his skillset (crosses, stamina, getting up and down the park) wasn't good for RW in a 442.

You should try to make more posts like that instead of littering your posts with insults and ableism.

 

[Maradona37]

"Celebrity worshipper"

Somebody remind him of his username.

Nobody cares about the retarded mental gymnastics. Maradona was treated like a fucking rockstar in his peak and was one of the biggest celebrities ever. Keep coping. You have a lot of practice in that department.

Yeah he was, but not by me, that is the point you idiot. And he's regarded as a far better footballer than Ronaldo, and certainly Beckham. He isn't famous for his looks or hairstyles. Can you not see the difference? He was loved for his football ability and his craziness, not because he was an attention seeking cunt who wanted to be on every cover.

Coping haha. Keep coping by telling yourself that hundreds of millions of women don't find Ronaldo ugly.