Ballon d'Or 2025

[Maradona37]

You are totally wrong here, and only a look at the last 5 years is enough:

Modric won in 2018 without being the best player that year.
Messi won in 2021 without being the best player that year.
Messi won in 2023 without being the best player that year.
Rodri won in 2024 without being the best player that year.

You have to understand that the "importance for most important titles" criterion is there

How were Messi and Rodri definitely not the best players of those years? Messi vastly outperformed Lewandowski in performance and every stat other than goals scored, as he always does. What did Robert do in the CL? Fuck all, he beat up on Bundesliga teams as he always did. As for Rodri, the disrespect of metronomic midfielders will never not irritate me, if you're saying Vinicius deserved it more then that is bollocks in my opinion, but happy to disagree.

Either way, most of those you claimed were 'robberies' were at worst very close, so nowhere near robberies.

But saying Lewa robbed Messi and Rodri robbed Vinicius is utter bollocks, for me. Check how much worse Man City's results get when Rodri isn't in the team. I like you mate but I think you're well off it with a lot of claims in this thread.

 

[vegitot]

I said for those who have minimal brain to understand that the criteria have always been best player PLUS most important player in trophy-winning teams. I never said it's the one and not the other.

- And yes: Nedved robbed Henry, because he was nowhere near the level or importance of the latter. Juve winning Serie A means jackshit in the grand scheme of important titles that year. Milan won UCL, and no other title. Obviously, the 'best individually' should have weighed heavier that season, and the award should have gone to Henry

- Same with Cannavaro frauding his way to Ballon D Or. He was a great defender, but nowhere near getting that type of award. Even in that Italy NT there were players like Pirlo deserving the award more than him.

Other cases you mention are again strawmans by you

PS: I was Barca fan when you were still in your cradle drinking your mother's milk.
You are prob another bandwagoner that jumped into Barca's ship the golden years of Pep

- Nedved was the best player in Juventus side that won Serie A and led them to UCL final. Henry won FA cup What did Henry do better than Nedved that season? Don't bring goal because a forward will score more than a midfielder.

- Cannavaro didn't derseve but with your logic (trophy won) then he had Serie A and later the World Cup while being the team's captain and the best defender, so he was a worthy winner (your logic again).

- You can never explain other cases May go to internet to see if anyone ever question why Cruyff was better player than Gerd Muller.

- I'm sure you will call Yamal "fraud" if he "robs" Dembele in September. So much for a fan

 

[Birdy]

How were Messi and Rodri definitely not the best players of those years? Messi vastly outperformed Lewandowski in performance and every stat other than goals scored, as he always does. What did Robert do in the CL? Fuck all, he beat up on Bundesliga teams as he always did. As for Rodri, the disrespect of metronomic midfielders will never not irritate me, if you're saying Vinicius deserved it more then that is bollocks in my opinion, but happy to disagree.

Either way, most of those you claimed were 'robberies' were at worst very close, so nowhere near robberies.

But saying Lewa robbed Messi and Rodri robbed Vinicius is utter bollocks, for me. Check how much worse Man City's results get when Rodri isn't in the team. I like you mate but I think you're well off it with a lot of claims in this thread.

- I hate Vinicius, and I was over the moon when Rodri won it over that cunt.
But let's not kid ourselves here: we all know Rodri wouldn't have won it without Spain winning the Euro.
That was what brought Rodri in the discussion in the first place. He was not even top10 in odds before the Euro.

- I agree about midfielders, but that disrespect to anyone who is not an attacker has been there since forever. Iniesta and Xavi never won it. Modric won it by accident.

- Lewa broke all numbers in goals and assists combined in both 19/20 and 20/21, ahead of Messi. Since I have been watching all Barca games, I can definitely tell you MEssi 20/21 was meh at best, and nowhere near the 'best player individually' that season.

 

[Horatio]

deleted my post. Understand what Birdy is saying

 

[Birdy]

- Nedved was the best player in Juventus side that won Serie A and led them to UCL final. Henry won FA cup What did Henry do better than Nedved that season? Don't bring goal because a forward will score more than a midfielder.

- Cannavaro didn't derseve but with your logic (trophy won) then he had Serie A and later the World Cup while being the team's captain and the best defender, so he was a worthy winner (your logic again).

- You can never explain other cases May go to internet to see if anyone ever question why Cruyff was better player than Gerd Muller.

- I'm sure you will call Yamal "fraud" if he "robs" Dembele in September. So much for a fan

You don't understand basic stuff, and you distort claims. I will try one last time with you:

Before each of your idiosyncratic claims, you have to specify on which criterion you talk. Best player individually or most important player for most important trophies.

- Nedved in 2003 does not meet either, because he was not the best player individually, and his team did not win the most important trophies

- Cannavaro does not meet them either, because he was not the best player individually, and, despite his NT winning the most important trophy, he was not the most important player of that team - let alone his club did not win important stuff

- When Cruyff won over Gerd Muller the criterion was obviously best player individually.

Try again...

PS: Obviously this whole irrationality started from people like you who are trying to push an agenda against all logic. If, in any season in the recent history, Barca had won treble, and had a player (like Dembele for PSG this season) who was the most important for those trophies, PLUS he had hit crazy G+A numbers, you would have been screaming (and rightfully so) if any other would have been even in the discussion for Ballon D Or.

You are the epitome of the bad fanboy: you can't adhere to objective criteria that apply universally for all

 

[Maradona37]

- I hate Vinicius, and I was over the moon when Rodri won it over that cunt.
But let's not kid ourselves here: we all know Rodri wouldn't have won it without Spain winning the Euro.
That was what brought Rodri in the discussion in the first place. He was not even top10 in odds before the Euro.

- I agree about midfielders, but that disrespect to anyone who is not an attacker has been there since forever. Iniesta and Xavi never won it. Modric won it by accident.

- Lewa broke all numbers in goals and assists combined in both 19/20 and 20/21, ahead of Messi. Since I have been watching all Barca games, I can definitely tell you MEssi 20/21 was meh at best, and nowhere near the 'best player individually' that season.

Fair enough, we will just have to agree to disagree. I always respect your tendency to try to back up what you think anyway, even if I am sometimes on other side of a debate.

Rodri winning the Euro is hardly a small thing. You can say he could have won it the year before for being excellent for a team winning the treble (and scoring the winner in the final).

My point re Lewy and Messi is that Lewy scored loads of goals in 2021, but it was mainly against Bundesliga teams, so not sure how it's better than any other year. Messi still vastly outperfomed him in general play (as he always does as Messi is on a different planet as a footballer to LewandowskI) and Lewandowski would have to have done far better in the CL than he did to claim to be robbed. It was a rather weak year (as said earlier in here) and in another year Messi may not have won, but there was no real standout candidate. I agree 2020 should have been Robert's year, but definitely not 2021.

Either way, I consider individual awards in football silly and politically driven, and am not bothered that much.

 

[MonteCuler]

The difference between PSG without Dembele and Barça without Yamal is so enormous

Today against Atletico we saw that clearly. PSG is still the best team on the planet regardless, even with Dembele getting zero minutes

Barça when Yamal was injured hit relegation form in the league for a few weeks

Should be considered in the ballon d'or, I guess

 

[Valiant]

And as usual, Raphinha gets left out of the bd'or conversation. Consistent ever since the beginning of the season, most goals and assists in the UCL, highest g+a for club and country, works insanely hard off the ball, equalled Ronaldo's record in the UCL, but people want to give it to Yamal for his form in the final 2 months of the season.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

The difference between PSG without Dembele and Barça without Yamal is so enormous

Today against Atletico we saw that clearly. PSG is still the best team on the planet regardless, even with Dembele getting zero minutes

Barça when Yamal was injured hit relegation form in the league for a few weeks

Should be considered in the ballon d'or, I guess

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