Alexander Isak

Tyler

Active member
How can Liverpool afford to make such crazy transfers?

Because they play the market better than any other club. Plus they have players to sell that will bring plenty of coin and won't weaken them at all. They're basically swapping Luis Diaz and Nunez (once he's sold) for Isak. Once Elliott is sold for 40 odd million, they're using the money for him, Kelleher and Quansah to cover the cost of Wirtz.

Isak won't be the end of their signings this summer either.
 

M3ls

Well-known member
1. Mate stop embarrassing yourself with even putting Kounde in the same sentence with VVD
VVD in 2017 was the next big thing.
Pep wanted him and tried to lure him,
Conte (champion back then) wanted him and tried to sign him.
Klopp was in love with him. FSG broke the bank for him in unprecedent numbers.
So'ton even accused Pool of tapping up, and they had to step back for 6 months to sign him.
Everyone was after him. He was the Haaland and Mbape of defenders.
He broke the transfer record for defenders

Kounde was just a promising CB at Sevilla, and just that.
And his development since then has been at best MEH

2. Yes, Yamal's current contract is ABOVE the market for his age and contract projection into the future,
as IS and WAS Kounde's 14m gross contract.
Look up the market to see it

3. AGAIN: decisions should be taken by delegated professionals that work for the club.
Rangnick is not our SD mate.
That should end the conversation right there

4. Oh yeah, which proves that the club traditionally disregards whoever works in that department, and that has been continued with fatty in charge. Thanks for confirming
1. Kounde, like Van Dijk, was wanted by at least 2-3 top clubs - we know that for sure.

You say that Van Dijk was the coolest prospect in 2017. It's just funny to read - this guy was 26 years old at that time. He was not Mbappe or Messi among defenders. This is absolute nonsense.

2. Let's see how much players earned at 18-19 years old, demonstrating approximately the same level as Yamal?

Let's take which players as a comparison?

3. What the hell are you talking about. A president who only listens to his internal experts is a complete idiot.

It is often very useful to listen to someone from the outside, especially people like Ragnik.

Laporta listened to Cruyff in his time, although he was neither a sporting director, nor a planning director, etc

4. Have you lost your eyes? The Coutinho thing happened during Bartomeu's era. How do you read my messages?
 
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Birdy

Senior Member
1. Kounde, like Van Dijk, was wanted by at least 2-3 top clubs - we know that for sure.

You say that Van Dijk was the coolest prospect in 2017. It's just funny to read - this guy was 26 years old at that time. He was not Mbappe or Messi among defenders. This is absolute nonsense.

2. Let's see how much players earned at 18-19 years old, demonstrating approximately the same level as Yamal?

Let's take which players as a comparison?

3. What the hell are you talking about. A president who only listens to his internal experts is a complete idiot.

It is often very useful to listen to someone from the outside, especially people like Ragnik.

Laporta listened to Cruyff in his time, although he was neither a sporting director, nor a planning director, etc

4. Have you lost your eyes? The Coutinho thing happened during Bartomeu's era. How do you read my messages?

1. Yes, he was not a prospect, he was the COMPLETE artifact wanted by all top teams to be their CORNERSTONE for the next 10 years.
Spot the difference with Kounde...

I can't believe I am even having this discussion with someone who watches football week in week out

2. Take anyone you want.
But don't compare with oil clubs like PSG and City who spread oil money for fun.
Compare to a clubs that leaves by FFP and PSR rules

3. I know very well what I am talking about.
The president is not even supposed to interfere with any transfer.
It's not his job, that's the job of the SD

BTW, stop this idiocy about Laporta listening to Cruyff that every idiot on this planet uses as an excuse.
The fact that he was (once in 100 years) lucky with Pep doesn't prove that his stupid way of doing things was correct

There is an industry out there. Open your eyes and see how it functions

4. Yes, and nothing changed since then as far as how much the analytics department is consulted.
I bet you won't find ANY transfer spearheaded by the analytics department apart from Pedri and Araujo that Ramon Planes (the only serious SD we ever had) personally treated after taking input from them
 

M3ls

Well-known member
1. Yes, he was not a prospect, he was the COMPLETE artifact wanted by all top teams to be their CORNERSTONE for the next 10 years.
Spot the difference with Kounde...

I can't believe I am even having this discussion with someone who watches football week in week out

2. Take anyone you want.
But don't compare with oil clubs like PSG and City who spread oil money for fun.
Compare to a clubs that leaves by FFP and PSR rules

3. I know very well what I am talking about.
The president is not even supposed to interfere with any transfer.
It's not his job, that's the job of the SD

BTW, stop this idiocy about Laporta listening to Cruyff that every idiot on this planet uses as an excuse.
The fact that he was (once in 100 years) lucky with Pep doesn't prove that his stupid way of doing things was correct

There is an industry out there. Open your eyes and see how it functions

4. Yes, and nothing changed since then as far as how much the analytics department is consulted.
I bet you won't find ANY transfer spearheaded by the analytics department apart from Pedri and Araujo that Ramon Planes (the only serious SD we ever had) personally treated after taking input from them

1. What are these conclusions based on? Give me proof that a 26-year-old player who had experience of playing for clubs like Southampton and Celtic when he moved to Liverpool was like Mbappe among defenders? These are just your subjective conclusions, nothing more.

You talk about Kounde as if he didn't have much weight in the market. That's a lie. He is a player who was wanted by at least Arsenal and Chelsea, as well as us.
2. Well, give me examples of players, we will evaluate their contracts with Yamal's contract. Do you know many players who at 17-18 years old had the same level of influence on the game as Yamal? I can only remember Mbappe in the last 5-6 years.

3. Lucky with Pep, lucky with Flick. Maybe it's not about luck?
You're just pathetic if you see only luck in Laporta's successful decisions.
You need to see a psychiatrist, you have some kind of personal animosity towards Laporta.

4. How do you know that decisions are made without taking into account the opinion of analysts? Where the fuck did you get this from? Every statement you make is an empty sound that is not supported by anything.
 

RedxMAK

Well-known member
1. Yes, he was not a prospect, he was the COMPLETE artifact wanted by all top teams to be their CORNERSTONE for the next 10 years.
Spot the difference with Kounde...

I can't believe I am even having this discussion with someone who watches football week in week out

2. Take anyone you want.
But don't compare with oil clubs like PSG and City who spread oil money for fun.
Compare to a clubs that leaves by FFP and PSR rules

3. I know very well what I am talking about.
The president is not even supposed to interfere with any transfer.
It's not his job, that's the job of the SD

BTW, stop this idiocy about Laporta listening to Cruyff that every idiot on this planet uses as an excuse.
The fact that he was (once in 100 years) lucky with Pep doesn't prove that his stupid way of doing things was correct

There is an industry out there. Open your eyes and see how it functions

4. Yes, and nothing changed since then as far as how much the analytics department is consulted.
I bet you won't find ANY transfer spearheaded by the analytics department apart from Pedri and Araujo that Ramon Planes (the only serious SD we ever had) personally treated after taking input from them
He was lucky with Rijkaard as well?
 

RedxMAK

Well-known member
He was lucky when his first option Beckham went to Real and we got Ronaldinho. He was also lucky that Messi and La Masia golden generation appeared at the same time. Both Rijkaard and Pep wouldn't have won what they did if they didn't have Ronaldinho and Messi.
So apparently Laporta got lucky 6 times….
At this point bro it is not luck, perhaps he was fortunate in the Ronaldinho transfer but besides that all of his moves were carried out with full certainty under the guidance of Cruyff in the first part and his own conscience in the second part.
 

malvolio

Senior Member
So apparently Laporta got lucky 6 times….
At this point bro it is not luck, perhaps he was fortunate in the Ronaldinho transfer but besides that all of his moves were carried out with full certainty under the guidance of Cruyff in the first part and his own conscience in the second part.
We all got lucky on Ronaldinho and Messi. As for the managers, I'd say Rijkaard wasn't that good anyway. Pep got the job because Cruyff favoured him ahead of Mourinho. And Laporta has always listened to Cruyff.

The man is not a complete idiot or just lucky. But if you look back many of his big decisions could have taken a different turn. Even now we are lucky again to have a talent like Yamal explode on to the scene.
 

RedxMAK

Well-known member
We all got lucky on Ronaldinho and Messi. As for the managers, I'd say Rijkaard wasn't that good anyway. Pep got the job because Cruyff favoured him ahead of Mourinho. And Laporta has always listened to Cruyff.

The man is not a complete idiot or just lucky. But if you look back many of his big decisions could have taken a different turn. Even now we are lucky again to have a talent like Yamal explode on to the scene.
Rijkaard was pretty good for the most part, we won our 2nd Champions League under him
 

Porque

Senior Member
Nobody gets lucky twice. Laporta is up to 6 or 8 already, and he hasn't even started breakfast.

Rijkaard for example was third choice that summer. But it was about following the system. Hiddink, Koeman and then Rijkaard. These were the order of our hires. It was about getting a dutch coach to follow the philosophy and our signings. Things would have likely gone better even quicker with Hiddink.

Beckham was a masterstroke. And it wasn't even really about signing him, but about building Laporta's profile as one of the nobodies in the elections to become the most talked about candidate. How? By agreeing a transfer agreement with Man UTD at the time and telling the world. Just a genius move. The rest he won by talking the talk.
 

malvolio

Senior Member
Nobody gets lucky twice. Laporta is up to 6 or 8 already, and he hasn't even started breakfast.

Rijkaard for example was third choice that summer. But it was about following the system. Hiddink, Koeman and then Rijkaard. These were the order of our hires. It was about getting a dutch coach to follow the philosophy and our signings. Things would have likely gone better even quicker with Hiddink.

Beckham was a masterstroke. And it wasn't even really about signing him, but about building Laporta's profile as one of the nobodies in the elections to become the most talked about candidate. How? By agreeing a transfer agreement with Man UTD at the time and telling the world. Just a genius move. The rest he won by talking the talk.
Beckham a masterstroke? He copied Florentino's model of announcing a big name along with his candidature. He opted for Beckham and Henry, but since those two options didn't happen he switched to Ronaldinho. What's so genius about that?

You could argue he was the one who transferred Ronaldinho, let's give him that. But he didn't sign Messi or Yamal.
 
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jamrock

Senior Member
Who are the presidents who didn't get lucky, since having a WC player is now a strike against a president and by extent the coach when winning lol.

The retarded shit you here some times.

Did it two, three four times, then a couple more times lol, nah it's all luck.
 
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jamrock

Senior Member
Bojan, Mal and all the other Laporta haters are like the black might, they have absolutely no rational points left, so they are left with it's luck.

He's bitches slapped them so many times, they have lose basic common sense.
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Porque

Senior Member
Beckham a masterstroke? He copied Florentino's model of announcing a big name along with his candidature. He opted for Beckham and Henry, but since those two options didn't happen he switched to Ronaldinho. What's so genius about that?

Like I say. He was a presidential candidate at the time, not president. And he wasn't known, about 6th in polling.

So the team decided to make an agreement with Man Utd for the signing of Beckham. It instantly made him and his candidature known.

This was pre-social media so the story was breaking news in Spain and England that "Presidential candidate Joan Laporta has agreed a 25m deal with Man Utd to sign David Beckham".
 

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