8 - Pedri

ToranagaSama

Active member
I have been ridiculed here for saying the obvious. That that Klopp team would pose great problems even to the greatest Barca ever

People can't think cross-historically. They can't grasp the fact that football evolves.
It is strange to them that an Aston Villa of 23-25 would easily beat the great Milan of 02-04 under Ancelotti.
For the obvious reasons that football is played at a x20 pace in all aspects nowadays compared to back then.
Click on YT and watch a whole game of that era and you will see why

We had problems with Arsenal and lost to the worst 10 men Chelsea. Then, of course prime Klopp Liverpool could also beat prime Barca. Depending on form in a one-off game, any CL winning team could.

The 2nd part? No shot. Maldini won the CL in 1989 and then captained Milan to victory in 2007. Messi scored that Maradona goal in 2007 against Getafe and probably still is a top 10 player in the world at nearly 40 today. Might even make it far in the next World Cup once more.

Footballers haven't turned into cyborgs in the past 10 years as to claim that any random midtable team today is better than historic teams of the early 00s. Any great player from the 90s and 00s would easily adapt to modern tactics and be just as good. If anything, football wasn't as commercialized as it is today. If you offered some of the lazier players of the 00s superstar wages of today, they might actually have trained properly and be even better than they were. I somehow doubt players like Pirlo fulfilled their entire potential by training hard.
 

iniestaGOAT

Senior Member
We had problems with Arsenal and lost to the worst 10 men Chelsea. Then, of course prime Klopp Liverpool could also beat prime Barca. Depending on form in a one-off game, any CL winning team could.

The 2nd part? No shot. Maldini won the CL in 1989 and then captained Milan to victory in 2007. Messi scored that Maradona goal in 2007 against Getafe and probably still is a top 10 player in the world at nearly 40 today. Might even make it far in the next World Cup once more.

Footballers haven't turned into cyborgs in the past 10 years as to claim that any random midtable team today is better than historic teams of the early 00s. Any great player from the 90s and 00s would easily adapt to modern tactics and be just as good. If anything, football wasn't as commercialized as it is today. If you offered some of the lazier players of the 00s superstar wages of today, they might actually have trained properly and be even better than they were. I somehow doubt players like Pirlo fulfilled their entire potential by training hard.

Chelsea parked the bus. Klopp wont.
We had trouble vs ARSENAL one game out of many played against them, only cause we went behind first leg despite dominating.

In a one of game maybe they could. Anybody can beat anybody.
But we did play against those fools and almost washed MESSI & BARCA slapped the living shit out of them and city.

They have no chance. Just faith. Like 4-0. Except that barca would not crumble.
 

Porque

Senior Member
Pep also hardly won/wins CL away knockout games.

It was Arsenal that night, but it could have been Boris Johnson and friends. We still would have lost.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
Footballers haven't turned into cyborgs in the past 10 years as to claim that any random midtable team today is better than historic teams of the early 00s. Any great player from the 90s and 00s would easily adapt to modern tactics and be just as good. If anything, football wasn't as commercialized as it is today. If you offered some of the lazier players of the 00s superstar wages of today, they might actually have trained properly and be even better than they were. I somehow doubt players like Pirlo fulfilled their entire potential by training hard.

The argument is about a hypothetical clash between sides from different eras.
The argument is NOT how Zidane Seedorf Rui Costa etc. would have played nowadays if they had been bord and raised some 15-20 years later
 

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