8 - Pedri

[Temptation]

FWIW, Klopp isn't a master tactician like Mourinho or Guardiola either.

Klopp is only good/very good at it. Klopp is GOAT level in terms of coaching a press, improving players, physical fitness and motivating his team.

In a one off final, Guardiola (if you have the strongest team) and Mourinho (if you have a weaker team) are clear of Klopp.

 

[Maradona37]

FWIW, Klopp isn't a master tactician like Mourinho or Guardiola either.

Klopp is only good/very good at it. Klopp is GOAT level in terms of coaching a press, improving players, physical fitness and motivating his team.

In a one off final, Guardiola (if you have the strongest team) and Mourinho (if you have a weaker team) are clear of Klopp.

I agree, but still better than Ferguson, with the profile to justify inclusion, hence my naming him.

Sacchi was an excellent tactician and thinker.

 

[Birdy]

I'd have loved to see Klopp's Prime Liverpool play against Pep's Prime Barca.

We were excellent defensively, pressed like animals and had a lot of pace.

And before people talk about the difference in quality in the midfields, remember that Klopp is the only manager who has consistently gone toe to toe with Pep playing attacking Football and has a better H2H record despite having weaker squads than Pep. Pep has always said Klopp is his toughest opponent ever.

Klopp's counterpressing system makes up for the lack of world class talent in his midfielders except Prime Fabinho, Coutinho, Thiago, Gundogan (all of which were easily world class talents at their best).

We rarely lost games in that period. @Birdy what do you think?

I have been ridiculed here for saying the obvious. That that Klopp team would pose great problems even to the greatest Barca ever

People can't think cross-historically. They can't grasp the fact that football evolves.
It is strange to them that an Aston Villa of 23-25 would easily beat the great Milan of 02-04 under Ancelotti.
For the obvious reasons that football is played at a x20 pace in all aspects nowadays compared to back then.
Click on YT and watch a whole game of that era and you will see why

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Insane ball-knowledge from Tempt, that's absolutely worldclass @Maradona37

 

[Maradona37]

Insane ball-knowledge from Tempt, that's absolutely worldclass @Maradona37

Yes it's a top level post. I have said pretty much everything he did there, just not all in the same post and perfectly like that.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

ye, had to praise him, but these posts are way out my league so I stayed out of it.

yeah that's top top level

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Yes it's a top level post. I have said pretty much everything he did there, just not all in the same post and perfectly like that.

yeah that's top top level

lol we both said top level, well i said top top level but still great coincidence

 

[Skalman]

Why didn't he get the assist for the last goal? Martin? did my eyes deceive me so?

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

He could barely jog at 55min-60min yet he was still playing. He is overplayed badly.

 

[ElMagodel304]

I think we will be fine, that game was a training , players didn't make a lot of effort we won easily.

 

[Temptation]

Insane ball-knowledge from Tempt, that's absolutely worldclass

Thanks but still nowhere near @Rassvet, you and OG as a poster overall.

Appreciate it though. 👍🏻

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Thanks but still nowhere near @Rassvet, you and OG as a poster overall.

Appreciate it though. 👍🏻

Humble Tempt cant stop being humble 😢

but no, your ball knowledge is superior to mine, i have no problem to admit ist 🤗

 

[ToranagaSama]

I have been ridiculed here for saying the obvious. That that Klopp team would pose great problems even to the greatest Barca ever

People can't think cross-historically. They can't grasp the fact that football evolves.
It is strange to them that an Aston Villa of 23-25 would easily beat the great Milan of 02-04 under Ancelotti.
For the obvious reasons that football is played at a x20 pace in all aspects nowadays compared to back then.
Click on YT and watch a whole game of that era and you will see why

We had problems with Arsenal and lost to the worst 10 men Chelsea. Then, of course prime Klopp Liverpool could also beat prime Barca. Depending on form in a one-off game, any CL winning team could.

The 2nd part? No shot. Maldini won the CL in 1989 and then captained Milan to victory in 2007. Messi scored that Maradona goal in 2007 against Getafe and probably still is a top 10 player in the world at nearly 40 today. Might even make it far in the next World Cup once more.

Footballers haven't turned into cyborgs in the past 10 years as to claim that any random midtable team today is better than historic teams of the early 00s. Any great player from the 90s and 00s would easily adapt to modern tactics and be just as good. If anything, football wasn't as commercialized as it is today. If you offered some of the lazier players of the 00s superstar wages of today, they might actually have trained properly and be even better than they were. I somehow doubt players like Pirlo fulfilled their entire potential by training hard.

 

[iniestaGOAT]

We had problems with Arsenal and lost to the worst 10 men Chelsea. Then, of course prime Klopp Liverpool could also beat prime Barca. Depending on form in a one-off game, any CL winning team could.

The 2nd part? No shot. Maldini won the CL in 1989 and then captained Milan to victory in 2007. Messi scored that Maradona goal in 2007 against Getafe and probably still is a top 10 player in the world at nearly 40 today. Might even make it far in the next World Cup once more.

Footballers haven't turned into cyborgs in the past 10 years as to claim that any random midtable team today is better than historic teams of the early 00s. Any great player from the 90s and 00s would easily adapt to modern tactics and be just as good. If anything, football wasn't as commercialized as it is today. If you offered some of the lazier players of the 00s superstar wages of today, they might actually have trained properly and be even better than they were. I somehow doubt players like Pirlo fulfilled their entire potential by training hard.

Chelsea parked the bus. Klopp wont.
We had trouble vs ARSENAL one game out of many played against them, only cause we went behind first leg despite dominating.

In a one of game maybe they could. Anybody can beat anybody.
But we did play against those fools and almost washed MESSI & BARCA slapped the living shit out of them and city.

They have no chance. Just faith. Like 4-0. Except that barca would not crumble.

 

[Porque]

Pep also hardly won/wins CL away knockout games.

It was Arsenal that night, but it could have been Boris Johnson and friends. We still would have lost.