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Yeah I guess. Not a surprise as such, in a way it's admirable that free speech is allowed. But it's more like trolling. I would never want someone banned for having an opinion that deviates from the consensus, but it's the HOW they go about it. If they were criticising Messi's game in the sense...

Yeah Williams has played well and scored a gorgeous goal against Georgia, but it's always risky to base buying players on international tournaments. How's he getting on at Athletic, has he been good there? That would be more of an indicator of his level and consistency. Like I say not watched La...

That is ironic eh. I remember it well. As for Lamine, like you say, he's playing because they don't have a top class right-wing forward. He's the best they have. The exciting thing is though that there's an even better player than him ready to take his place in future years hopefully - prime Yamal.

I do understand serghei's point though - that as good as he is, Spain shouldn't be relying on a 16 year old, and should have a more finished article in there. However, he's doing very well. I just worry about injury after being overplayed as a boy.

Agreed in that sense. But his potential is massive and he's already better than most 16 yos - but no matter how good you are at 16, you will 99 percent of the time always be better at 20-25.

Thanks. I mean, who knows? He might be brilliant today. But we shouldn't hold it against him if he isn't. He's a baby.

At 16 you still don't really know the game well, positioning etc especially. He's been trained since a very young age but he's still a young boy playing against men. The fact he's in the first team of a top national team at that age speaks volumes of his potential. But expecting him to run the...

I am a Messi fan as a footballer (not as a guy), but it is weird how he gets slagged off by some on here. You never see George Best or Bobby Charlton slagged off on Redcafe, or Kenny Dalglish on RAWK, or Vincent Kompany or Colin Bell on Bluemoon, or Thierry Henry on Arsenal Mania.

Sounds like Ronaldo too.

Gonna stay with 1-1 Musiala, Rodri

Messi is still good now. An in decline Messi is better than 90 percent of players.

Very similar indeed. Main difference at the end of it is him scoring with his right foot rather than left. He also starts from wider than Maradona did. But overall extremely similar.

Yeah, not interested in any argument or animosity, but it is a bit weird to 'announce' you're leaving a forum. Very self-important.

Fair enough.

Fati seems like a great guy though, I like him even if he does try to wind people up. He trolls but he does it with humour and a bit of charisma at times. No nastiness involved. No ad homs.

Even if Euro is better, the Copa is still an interesting tournament. It doesn't have to be one or the other, both are football.

Ah right. I think he quoted me and said 'the irony' when I made that long post on there about Ronaldo (I got banned pretty quickly). It makes sense now.

What's his Redcafe name?

It's been said many times before, but the Getafe goal is very similar to Maradona against England.

Have to spare a thought for Enner Valencia. I know they came back after he went off the park but he must be gutted.