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Joined Sevilla on loan.

This is a guy that couldn't get a game at West Brom last season, and has barely progressed in the last three years.

Can't these things always be challenged though, so they could suspend the ban until after the derby?

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They only have one top striker though.

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I think he means it's a bit strange that Mourinho won't use him.

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Spurs are surely better than Lyon. BVB probably better than City too.

City fans booing the CL anthem so they cut it right before it ended :lol:

I haven't argued that anyone will become great under anyone.

Stones forced his way in front of better CBs than Jonny Evans. Pique didn't. It's all academic now, the point is to write off someone so young when they've got potential is stupid, especially after a season in a Martinez side (good luck Belgium).

You could make a video like that that would make Mata look top class last season too, but it wouldn't change the fact that he's a passenger off the ball. Fabregas was a liability at times last season, the guy can barely cover the ground any more.

I'd think so too but Liverpool and Spurs don't look like they've really strengthened that much.

Pique was a calamity for United when he was given chances. He was fourth choice behind Jonny Evans and Ferguson didn't even want him.

Why? He's been woeful for a long time now. This is maybe the first time he's looked a great player in the last year or so.

Well it has, but that doesn't mean he won't be a good player. He's certainly better than Pique was before Pep got a hold of him. That's not to say that he will be better or even as good, but to write-off someone his age based on one poor season in a side that couldn't defend is crazy.

I'm starting to think that the sponsors are the ones keeping him in. There were rumours that that's why he was playing in midfield for England, and for United he might even have something in his contract that we don't know about.

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He starts tonight against Southampton.