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Which top European league is Paco proven in? I certainly hope you're not talking about his time with Valencia. I really, really hope you're not saying the dance of mediocrity that is his Valencia career qualifies him as "Proven". I really, really hope that is not what you are trying to suggest.

Bravo definitely did not have "Exactly zero bad games". Just in his last game alone he made a mistake that costed us a goal. Then there's his 2016 where he wasn't bailing the team out with the saves that earned him his popularity, and the loss to Madrid where he didn't make saves... This is why...

Having to play Vidal in any games is going to suck. He got wrecked by Alaves. And during preseason he couldn't handle Celtic's B team...

How anyone can call him hardworking when we have Palencia in the wings who works hard and is actually semi competent defensively is beyond me.

It's a shame he's not as good at defending as he is scoring random headers.

I'm much more partial to going to catch a free kick and dropping it. Your siggy is giving me cancer btw

Oh shit. I thought Paco was one of BBZ's guys because he wasn't La Masia. Why would he jinx him? :lol:

When you're a Bravo fan everyone is shit if they concede. Obviously, he should have stayed. And obviously, anyone who points out his mistakes now that he's left isn't really a fan.

Oh, is this more 'should have kept Bravo' nonsense? You see how well he did today right?

Considering the way the game went I'm not even a little bit upset with him. Not when you have almost everyone else teaming up to make us lose.

Still waiting for him to prove how significant an upgrade he is over Munir. I have a feeling I shall be waiting for quite some time.

Umtiti had one bad game in one of our toughest fixtures of the season. And even then he wasn't nearly as bad as Masche against the almighty Alaves :lol:

For the love of god just give Palencia a chance. This is the entire reason we have a cantera, fucking use it, Lucho.

So what do you guys think? Should Mats be worried?

Dreadful night for him, and it's far from the first time this season. At what point does the myth of underperforming players getting dropped actually become reality?

Yeah, and Alaves is as good a team as any to start to get his feet wet here. There shouldn't be anything too outrageous coming his way, but he could still have a chance to show us something.

I don't hate Bravo, I hate this idea that he's the best. Fans of who? Bravo is a Man City player.

He's having a shocker. Almost conceded again miles off his line.

If Cillessen even needs to put on a decent performance at all we should ask serious questions of our defense, and the ball playing skills Mats has are much harder to match. Hard to see Jasper "pulling a Bravo", despite how many people butthurt about Bravo leaving are crossing their fingers for...

The odds of Cillesen being able to displace Mats are pretty damn low lol Mats probably rushed back to play against Bilbao, Bravo's departure and Cillessen's late signing made playing him our only real option.