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Ok Birdy, that was an overreaction originally - I apologise and deleted the post. I still maintain though that you have a know-it-all air and that it wasn't fair of you to try to devalue my opinion with the anti-United stuff, especially when they have only proved me right every step of the way...

In fact, forget it - sick of your know-it-all attitude towards other posters and you have really pissed me off saying my judgement is clouded because I hate United (when actually I have been proved right every step of the way). Putting you on ignore for now.

How does it 'cloud my judgement' when I have been right every step of the way about United in the last 10 years? If they were good I would say so, like I did in ferguson's day. There's no ulterior motive - when I rate their players I say so, when I don't I do. I rate a few of their players but...

I don't know what Birdy sees in this guy - I have watched him most weeks since 2016 and he's an absolute nothing player. The amount he gets talked about you'd think he was Messi, though. Poor first touch, poor technically, only good at running in behind high lines or cutting in and shooting...

The problem is most of his goals come on the counter-attack and he's poor against a low block. Also, praising Rashford for his goalscoring is a dangerous game as he's a moments player and generally hides his total anonymity with one moment in a game. Barca tend to play against low blocks so...

Yeah he likely wasn't as good as Pele - that's probably romanticism. But he probably was better to watch in many ways. Yeah Best and Garrincha wouldmove higher if it comes to pure talent, and less about longevity etc. I tend to think longevity is overrated and a very modern thing anyway - a lot...

2nd anniversary of becoming a world champion.

Yeah lots of these players fit into different styles of playing, such is their genius. Pirlo as a deep-lying playmaker maybe. You could consider Beckenbauer as he was a libero and controlled games from deeper. But likely goes more in defenders. Get Jammy back (the other Jam) and we can have...

Didi (Brazilian midfielder) is a good one for generals but before all of our time. Gerson is another and he was a little later. Rijkaard another good one if you consider him a general. Or Gullit even if you consider him that type.

A possible top 10 for me: 1) Messi/Maradona 3) Pele 4) Cruyff 5) Di Stefano 6) R9 7) Beckenbauer 8) Platini 9) Cristiano Ronaldo (I'd have him lower on talent but hard to ignore his accomplishments) 10) Zico or Van Basten It could change every day. Feel bad relegating the likes of Puskas...

Nice to see some love for Garrincha. I got told off by a certain someone for rating him highly and told he couldn't lace Henry's boots.

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Aye I remember him in his young days too, pre 2000 and the Parma time too. He played against Rangers in a tie or two in the late 90s (when I still supported Rangers) and he was so good. He was exceptional. Just a very well-rounded goalkeeper. I don't like the guy, as he was a bigot before he...

He or Oliver Kahn probably.

Agree fully on Platini being better than Zidane (and Zizou was a childhood idol of mine). They say the same in France. I don't rate Van Basten as quite number 1 Euro player of all time, probably still rate Cruyff ahead of him for Dutch. But he's right up there. As you say he had everything almost.

I will do top 5 GK ever imo, to start ball rolling for positions. Based on evidence of watching live games and/or footage, and reading about them and seeing other opinion. No particular order: Neuer Zoff Banks Yashin Unsure of number 5 really. Could be several candidates. Maybe Buffon.

Hagi and Stoitchkov were supreme.

Great list and good knowledge for a top 20. Surprised there's no Garrincha though. George Best could maybe get in based on talent, if not longevity and achievement. Other possible candidates off the top of my head: Rivelino, Gerson, Didi, Socrates, Passarella, Henry (despite what I said...

What you could do is seperate it into loose positions (goalkeeper, defender, midfielder, forward) and pick out a top five/twenty for each. Defensive players tend to get the shaft in these anyway so it would give them more recognition. Like top 5 GK Top 20 DF Top 20 DM/CM/AM Top 20...

Amazing goal to be fair. Deserved for that I'd say although there might be other goals people like.