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Fair enough, we will just have to agree to disagree. I always respect your tendency to try to back up what you think anyway, even if I am sometimes on other side of a debate. Rodri winning the Euro is hardly a small thing. You can say he could have won it the year before for being excellent for...

He's a class guy, and I agree with him on plenty of things. I definitely believe he's from Brazil. He pretty much says so on his profile and he has nothing to gain from lying.

Might be a good rotation option and is versatile; utility players are always a plus. Always quite liked him. Shame he isn't a few years younger, though. But as a backup he could prove useful for you.

I guess. But surely if they never seen him, they shouldn't say someone is better than him, just because he plays now and is visible? That makes no sense to me. You can't say 'Maradona might be better than Ronaldo, but I have never seen Maradona so will go with Ronaldo'. Surely the wise thing...

It's gonna be interesting to watch how some of these lads do new to the PL anyway (and the others moving within the league, like Mbeumo and Cunha). Hopefully we see plenty good football next season.

Probably the hottest photo I have seen on here, outside of the women thread. Fucking hell.

Fans and atmosphere matter a lot in football - they are the lifeblood of the game. Of course without talented players and managers everything is harder, but the fans and a bouncing atomsphere can push players further and futher and increase their adrenaline. The fans are a big reason it's...

You might be right, I would like to see more of both to decide. I will this season I suppose. Other people seen more of both than me, just like the look of Cherki myself. But, as always, I respect your views as I agree with you on plenty stuff.

Good thread and discussion. Liked reading @Joan 's more statistical approach. Puts it into perspective.

Incredibly bad haircut.

Yeah he doesn't scream the kind of guy who will be the main man against the likes of Real, Barca and PSG. I just don't see that in him. He can play well against them but I don't see him running the show against all those teams. Even De Bruyne didn't do that (despite what Temptation claims)...

Yeah they have overspent but he should still do well. The thing is with the fee fans expect 'best player in the league' standard and I am not sure he will be that. Porque mentioned Cherki above and I forgot to speak about him. I think Cherki actually has more ability than Wirtz, but as Porque...

Fair enough. Good, well considered post. I have to think more about this and maybe reconsider - admittedly my sample size of watching him is relatively small, and I am still thinking of guys like Havertz and Sancho, who to be fair didn't look as talented as Wirtz and aren't even really similar...

Possibly yeah. He could be there for sure. But Messi and Maradona are the best two I have seen. They're that unreal that I have to actually think if I would put prime R9 before the injuries even on their level. In retrospect I probably would. There's a lot of geniuses, but those three are the...

That's a good point. His problem isn't talent - he is capable of doing great things on his day. The problem is his day doesn't come anywhere near enough. A few fleeting amazing moments don't compensate for all the times he drifts in and out of games. Same goes for the others as you say. Most...

I don't wanna slag the guy off too much - he's never done anything to me, and he has lots of talent. But he does seem like the latest hipster wonderkid hyped out of all proportion in this current modern football climate. Some might say the same about Lamine, but as an experienced long-time...

A true genius of the game. One of 2 aliens to have played football (we know who the other is).

Colombia should just about qualify too, and it will take some kind of miracle for Uruguay and Paraguay not to gain automatic qualification. Nothing will be confirmed til September now, though. Venezuela and Bolivia will fight it out for the play-off place. Each have Colombia (Bolivia have them...

Brazil, Ecuador, Australia (theme of yellow there isn't it) all qualified. 13 down, 35 to go.

These clowns and United love to talk about 'oil clubs spending' when they have both paid a fucking fortune for players over the years. Dating back to the 90s if you wanna talk just PL days. Victims FC this lot. The only likeable thing about them is they hate the Royal Family.