serghei
Senior Member
Team started to improve in CL since 2022. Despite that, we are not there yet vs the top sides. Doesn't matter if it's Flick, or Xavi. The difference is mostly stylistical.
Squad cost us every time.
Hans-Dieter Flick
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Team started to improve in CL since 2022. Despite that, we are not there yet vs the top sides. Doesn't matter if it's Flick, or Xavi. The difference is mostly stylistical.
Squad cost us every time.
serghei
Senior Member
Flick had better wins, but that's understandable tbh as the players become more mature and experienced.
Still a gap vs bigger clubs that we need to find ways to reduce.
But of the two, despite results and shortcoming vs big teams being similar, Flick is playing better football that will benefit more the club going forward. Even if he will fail vs big teams just the same.
Xavi's best results came by being pragmatic. This was his way of elevating the team. He fixed the defense by going pragmatic, as a way to win soms titles. At clubs like Barcelona this was not a very pleasing sight.
Flick had some of the same issues to tackle, and he did it with high intensity press and a more energetic, offensive style. This is simply a better way to reach similar results at a club like Barcelona.
Xavi knew this and wanted to transition to a more offensive style, with short term fixes like old Gundogan, and technical rejects like Felix and Cancelo. All three attacking minded players.The football was more entertaining, but the defense was not nearly as good.
No matter how you go around it, the issue is being manager of Barca atm is a struggle. You know the moves that need be made, but to make them finances need to improve by a lot.
Still a gap vs bigger clubs that we need to find ways to reduce.
But of the two, despite results and shortcoming vs big teams being similar, Flick is playing better football that will benefit more the club going forward. Even if he will fail vs big teams just the same.
Xavi's best results came by being pragmatic. This was his way of elevating the team. He fixed the defense by going pragmatic, as a way to win soms titles. At clubs like Barcelona this was not a very pleasing sight.
Flick had some of the same issues to tackle, and he did it with high intensity press and a more energetic, offensive style. This is simply a better way to reach similar results at a club like Barcelona.
Xavi knew this and wanted to transition to a more offensive style, with short term fixes like old Gundogan, and technical rejects like Felix and Cancelo. All three attacking minded players.The football was more entertaining, but the defense was not nearly as good.
No matter how you go around it, the issue is being manager of Barca atm is a struggle. You know the moves that need be made, but to make them finances need to improve by a lot.
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Temptation
Well-known member
That's huge coming from you. You were his biggest critic.
He won you over with the recent Messi quotes, didn't he?
KingLeo10
Senior Member
Calma, been saying this since last April-MayThat's huge coming from you. You were his biggest critic.
He won you over with the recent Messi quotes, didn't he?
Birdy
Senior Member
Can't believe the fuck I am reading here.
Revisionism at its best!
'Xavi or Flick does not make any difference'
You can't be so stupid really
Xavi was a tactically inept dude who never understood the transition from tactical ideas to actual tactics.
He created rigid systems of play that would see us being unable to break down even the lowest fodder LL teams
I am not even talking about being schooled by all kinds of managers in Europe
Flick is arguably top5 coach in the world, not only because of the entertaining football but because he is also effective. He swept all domestic titles last season and reached CL semis with a squad that was nowhere close that under any other manager
Of course there are other great teams, and last season one could say PSG, Pool, maybe Arsenal were better than us, and I accept that. But being the 4th best team in Europe with such squad difference from the others is a huge achievement
PS: Stop blaming Flick you revisionist morons and look at the real cause of the last results. Cubarsi himself told everyone "we are not pressing, we have become complacent"
Wake up
Revisionism at its best!
'Xavi or Flick does not make any difference'
You can't be so stupid really
Xavi was a tactically inept dude who never understood the transition from tactical ideas to actual tactics.
He created rigid systems of play that would see us being unable to break down even the lowest fodder LL teams
I am not even talking about being schooled by all kinds of managers in Europe
Flick is arguably top5 coach in the world, not only because of the entertaining football but because he is also effective. He swept all domestic titles last season and reached CL semis with a squad that was nowhere close that under any other manager
Of course there are other great teams, and last season one could say PSG, Pool, maybe Arsenal were better than us, and I accept that. But being the 4th best team in Europe with such squad difference from the others is a huge achievement
PS: Stop blaming Flick you revisionist morons and look at the real cause of the last results. Cubarsi himself told everyone "we are not pressing, we have become complacent"
Wake up
jamrock
Senior Member
Can't believe the fuck I am reading here.
Revisionism at its best!
'Xavi or Flick does not make any difference'
You can't be so stupid really
Xavi was a tactically inept dude who never understood the transition from tactical ideas to actual tactics.
He created rigid systems of play that would see us being unable to break down even the lowest fodder LL teams
I am not even talking about being schooled by all kinds of managers in Europe
Flick is arguably top5 coach in the world, not only because of the entertaining football but because he is also effective. He swept all domestic titles last season and reached CL semis with a squad that was nowhere close that under any other manager
Of course there are other great teams, and last season one could say PSG, Pool, maybe Arsenal were better than us, and I accept that. But being the 4th best team in Europe with such squad difference from the others is a huge achievement
PS: Stop blaming Flick you revisionist morons and look at the real cause of the last results. Cubarsi himself told everyone "we are not pressing, we have become complacent"
Wake up
It was too easy for me not to.
Maradona37
Well-known member
That's partly what I was saying about distances being too big, though it seemed true earlier in the games too. But in some games that I saw it did become worse as they fatigued.
It's not really Flick's fault per se - it's just the way he plays. Not really a defect in him as a coach, he just keeps to his principles.
But that was especially true against Inter. Barca could have closed up after they went ahead in the tie. But maybe they didn't feel they could defend the lead? Barca have never been a 'close a game down' type of team, and Flick doesn't play like that, and I guess they would say why should they when they're so good at attacking in general? But it has cost them on a few occasions and none more so than that Inter game.
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FinBarcelonafan
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He isn't wrong and fatigue is definitely an issue
serghei
Senior Member
Can't believe the fuck I am reading here.
Revisionism at its best!
'Xavi or Flick does not make any difference'
You can't be so stupid really
Xavi was a tactically inept dude who never understood the transition from tactical ideas to actual tactics.
He created rigid systems of play that would see us being unable to break down even the lowest fodder LL teams
I am not even talking about being schooled by all kinds of managers in Europe
Flick is arguably top5 coach in the world, not only because of the entertaining football but because he is also effective. He swept all domestic titles last season and reached CL semis with a squad that was nowhere close that under any other manager
Of course there are other great teams, and last season one could say PSG, Pool, maybe Arsenal were better than us, and I accept that. But being the 4th best team in Europe with such squad difference from the others is a huge achievement
PS: Stop blaming Flick you revisionist morons and look at the real cause of the last results. Cubarsi himself told everyone "we are not pressing, we have become complacent"
Wake up
You must have some selective understanding capabilities. Xavi won a league title also, and failed in similar fashion vs Inter, PSG caliber teams, and with a weaker, more inexperienced squad.
Results are not that different. One big title each, CL results are good vs smaller level teams but not impressive enough vs bigger sides. 1 notable win each vs top 6 teams, Xavi 3-2 vs PSG, Flick 4-1 vs Bayern in Europe.
We are yet to see serious improvements and gain consistency vs bigger level teams. Failed in 3 games vs top rated opponents.
Flick is going to have to do something cause the whole squad is looking lackadaisical and it's not even November.
For me the biggest issue is the lack of leaders. Raphinha is the only guy with grit and grunt. The defence has no leadership. Last season Inigo filled the gap but Araujo, Cubarsi and Christensen are not leaders in any sense of the word.
For me the biggest issue is the lack of leaders. Raphinha is the only guy with grit and grunt. The defence has no leadership. Last season Inigo filled the gap but Araujo, Cubarsi and Christensen are not leaders in any sense of the word.
What about all those wins against Madrid and even AM?
Also Xavi was given money to spend and really missed the target with some of his transfers nit to mention the humiliations in el, cl and against lower liga teams. He sucked. Didn't we spend 200 million plus only for Xavi to cry about not having enough talent ?? 🤣
And don't mention all the meltdowns je had. Cursing the players, refs and getting sent off. He couldn't handle the pressure. It's no surprise he hasn't got another job since he left us. His tactics ate shit and he can't handle pressure. I'd be surprised if a big club signs him.
He needs to reign his ego in and start at an Eibar or Celta Vigo.
serghei
Senior Member
Let's see them repeated. Xavi is 4-0 vs AM, 4 wins, zero losses, zero goals conceded in 2022-23, and 2023-24. Flick is 1 win, 2 draws, 1 loss. Xavi has superior results vs AM by far in 4 games. It's not linear.
He's actually 5-0 vs AM. Forgot about the 4-2 in 2021-22.
The money spent under Xavi is big part the reason Flick won 3 titles. If Flick had the team prior to 2022, he would have won nothing. It's almost guaranteed.
200m is nothing today in terms of building a top squad. We've been over these sily arguments before. They were sily 1-2 years ago and are just as sily now.
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