Camp Nou

[jamrock]

After you spend 2b to build a stadium and you're in debt up to your eye balls due to mismanagement, by a retard.

You have about 0.5% space for sentiment.

The prices are high so be it and such is business in the 21st century, we NEED not want the money.

Ccreate some little discount program for locals, but that's about it.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

They should at least make a singing section with cheap tickets for local fans. It's pretty embarrassing if they don't, since this is what most clubs in Spain do, especially in the Basque region. Just to keep the atmosphere throughout the stadium going.

PSG have some of the loudest fans in Europe and I've seen games where the Ultras decided to boycott. The stadium was full on the other 3 out of 4 sides and the fans were totally quiet. I mean COVID levels quiet.

This is how all stadiums in Europe operate. A vociferous singing section to lead the chanting. Infact, only the EPL doesn't follow this, as they have totally sold out to consumerism. And their teams get outsung by foreign away fans pretty much every game as a result.

Are we really going to turn as soulless as the EPL clubs, where it is all about the almighty dollar? I hope not.

I couldn't agree more with this. We need this.

 

[FCBarca]

What I have always found special about match day experience was the family atmosphere, going with your kids is smooth and wholesome- I don’t want that to ever change

 

[Don Juan Laporta Estruch]

After you spend 2b to build a stadium and you're in debt up to your eye balls due to mismanagement, by a retard.

You have about 0.5% space for sentiment.

The prices are high so be it and such is business in the 21st century, we NEED not want the money.

Ccreate some little discount program for locals, but that's about it.

Atmosphere in the stadium is worth a lot more than sentiment. If we had a vociferous stadium we would have beaten Inter and played a UCL final at least. How much would that have made us?

This is what is so stupid about this whole situation. Real football people know that losing ticket revenue to prioritise atmosphere actually pays for itself in the long run.

Through better results on the pitch and a better viewing experience off it. It's just blind greed from corporate non footballing folk like those running EPL clubs, who will never understand it's value to non instant revenue streams, further down the line.

 

[jamrock]

Atmosphere in the stadium is worth a lot more than sentiment. If we had a vociferous stadium we would have beaten Inter and played a UCL final at least. How much would that have made us?

This is what is so stupid about this whole situation. Real football people know that losing ticket revenue to prioritise atmosphere actually pays for itself in the long run.

Through better results on the pitch and a better viewing experience off it. It's just blind greed from corporate non footballing folk like those running EPL clubs, who will never understand it's value to non instant revenue streams, further down the line.

How is going all out to create a better atmosphere, leading to better results on the pitch for Durtmond?.

Who are the kings of atmosphere and Germany's generally decent ticket prices to allow families and locals to attend.

They do well, when they have a great coach and good talent, which comes from having more revenues.

PSG do well not being of signing fans but because they can spend 150m on two strikers and not play them.

A great atmosphere wouldn't have made a big difference in the CL vs inter at home, better defending would or maybe playing the 2nd leg at home, which is what it should have been.

We've had ultra's and all those things in the pass, we still only won 5 CL when we were by far the best team in Europe.

I'm cool with having some singing fans and creating some local discounts

But let's not go crazy with "vibes" at the expense of money, which is what the club needs now more than anything else.

 

[TheStig]

Atmosphere in the stadium is worth a lot more than sentiment. If we had a vociferous stadium we would have beaten Inter and played a UCL final at least. How much would that have made us?

This is what is so stupid about this whole situation. Real football people know that losing ticket revenue to prioritise atmosphere actually pays for itself in the long run.

Through better results on the pitch and a better viewing experience off it. It's just blind greed from corporate non footballing folk like those running EPL clubs, who will never understand it's value to non instant revenue streams, further down the line.

Very good post but it looks like people who never were matchgoing fans can't understand the meaning of true fans, just look at jamrock's post, a classic example. It doesn't surprise me, here is very little (or none?) real fans of Barcelona. If this was a forum of some club with mostly local support you would never have a discussion like this.

But we are dinosaurs, a dying breed. The clubs and modern global fans don't get it, it's all about the short term money.

 

[Don Juan Laporta Estruch]

How is going all out to create a better atmosphere, leading to better results on the pitch for Durtmond?.

Who are the kings of atmosphere and Germany's generally decent ticket prices to allow families and locals to attend.

They do well, when they have a great coach and good talent, which comes from having more revenues.

PSG do well not being of signing fans but because they can spend 150m on two strikers and not play them.

A great atmosphere wouldn't have made a big difference in the CL vs inter at home, better defending would or maybe playing the 2nd leg at home, which is what it should have been.

We've had ultra's and all those things in the pass, we still only won 5 CL when we were by far the best team in Europe.

I'm cool with having some singing fans and creating some local discounts

But let's not go crazy with "vibes" at the expense of money, which is what the club needs now more than anything else.

Dortmund are not doing anything differently than any other club in Germany. The Buli has low ticket prices across the board, so Dortmund aren't really a relevant example.

They aren't even the kings of atmosphere in Germany anyway, it's Frankfurt and no better example of fan power effecting results was demonstrated in recent years than by Frankfurt in their Europa League win. ( We should know that best. )

I have to disagree that PSG singing fans didn't play a big part in their UCL win either. Had they had the support Man City get for example, they might not have got through against Liverpool, might have folded even against Villa, and they certainly wouldn't have dominated the final as much as they did. Their fans played a huge party in that final, by pretty much turning the Allianz into the Parc De Prince. ( I actually placed a big bet on them to win the final when I saw the difference in the passion of the two sets of fans ).

Of course money for top players matter, but I think you are underestimating the power of fans. Raph offering to pay the fine for La Grada is another example of how it effects players.

 

[serghei]

And the stadium at games is never 100% full so the real capacity will be under 100000.

It can be 100% full if tickets are sold out. I don't think Camp Nou leaves empty sectors surrounding the away fans.

 

[TheStig]

It can be 100% full if tickets are sold out. I don't think Camp Nou leaves empty sectors surrounding the away fans.

It's always a couple of thousand less because of security. I don't think we'll ever see more than 100000 real people at CN.

 

[jamrock]

Very good post but it looks like people who never were matchgoing fans can't understand the meaning of true fans, just look at jamrock's post, a classic example. It doesn't surprise me, here is very little (or none?) real fans of Barcelona. If this was a forum of some club with mostly local support you would never have a discussion like this.

But we are dinosaurs, a dying breed. The clubs and modern global fans don't get it, it's all about the short term money.

Long term money*

 

[Maradona37]

Fans and atmosphere matter a lot in football - they are the lifeblood of the game.

Of course without talented players and managers everything is harder, but the fans and a bouncing atomsphere can push players further and futher and increase their adrenaline.

The fans are a big reason it's always an advantage to play at home. Look during COVID season in PL - no fans and away wins skyrocketed. They've reverted back now the fans are back.

This is all especially true in stadiums where fans are known to be intense and have good-sized crowds. Part of why Anfield is/was a fortress is their fans spur them on to an incredible degree and fill the players full of hunger and confidence.

I don't wanna bring it up again, but there's zero chance Liverpool beat Barca 4-0 that night (especially without Salah and Firmino) in any other stadium in world football than Anfield. And that's because of the fans and the psychological effect it has on Liverpool positively and the opposition negatively.

 

[Don Juan Laporta Estruch]

Very good post but it looks like people who never were matchgoing fans can't understand the meaning of true fans, just look at jamrock's post, a classic example. It doesn't surprise me, here is very little (or none?) real fans of Barcelona. If this was a forum of some club with mostly local support you would never have a discussion like this.

But we are dinosaurs, a dying breed. The clubs and modern global fans don't get it, it's all about the short term money.

Exactly, bro. I think it's a difference in culture. North American fans are there to grab a popcorn and watch great athletes compete against each other.

Over here in Europe, we see our football as almost going back to our caveman days. For 90 minutes we want to get our aggression out in a tribalistic manner and show our loyalty to the shirt. The result is almost secondary. That is certainly how football USED to be seen many decades ago.

My friend went to a game and the local fans started threatening him. If you aren't going to sing we are going to kick you from this part of the stadium they said. Now that's the sort of fans I respect.

Not having a go at our North American brothers at all, or saying our attitude is superior, just that I much prefer the old school European outlook on this matter.

 

[jamrock]

No one can give an example of a time where having ultra's and singing fans led to more success for us on the field.

Or Madrid, Man utd, Bayern, even Liverpool with there whatever stand, all these clubs moved passed that at least a decade now if not more.

Only big league that's still focuses on these type of things is Serie A and that's working out great for them isn't it?.

I've never seen a properly big game at the camp nou and thought to myself you know what this game is lacking, atmosphere.

Never not once.

You create some form of discount for locals and season tickets holder and then you squeeze every dollar you can out of everyone else.

Which is what they did in the last clasico and it worked out great, certainly wasn't lacking atmosphere and that was the Olympic stadium

Imagine if they did the same dynamic pricing in a stadium that fits 100k, ppl.

They would print money, while also having a great atmosphere.

It's stadium is a business after all, that's needs to pay for itself.

 

[draconifire]

Of course money for top players matter, but I think you are underestimating the power of fans. Raph offering to pay the fine for La Grada is another example of how it effects players.

There is a reason why Raph is doing this. And the other day, people were pearl-clutching, Casado & Fermin being close to Boixos.
Its not because the players are hooligans or anything, but it's because these are the fans that comes closer to effect Players on the pitch, and hence why the players in turn feel closer to them.
And that happens because they are the ones making the most noise. Showing the enthusiasm and feeling we fans have to the players on the pitch, showing that us fans are behind them.
You take them out of the club, and you make the team disconnected from the fans. Then you run the risk of players acting like mercenaries and just for the paycheck and glory. That's it.

No one asking to do what BVB does, where the whole stand is of Ultras. We just want better atmosphere, and a small section of these fans will bring us that.

 

[FCBarca]

Exactly, bro. I think it's a difference in culture. North American fans are there to grab a popcorn and watch great athletes compete against each other.

Over here in Europe, we see our football as almost going back to our caveman days. For 90 minutes we want to get our aggression out in a tribalistic manner and show our loyalty to the shirt. The result is almost secondary. That is certainly how football USED to be seen many decades ago.

My friend went to a game and the local fans started threatening him. If you aren't going to sing we are going to kick you from this part of the stadium they said. Now that's the sort of fans I respect.

Not having a go at our North American brothers at all, or saying our attitude is superior, just that I much prefer the old school European outlook on this matter.

You’ve never attended an American Football game then, there’s not much that is as violent an atmosphere as what transpires in the stands there. Night & day from any Barça match I’ve ever attended or hope to attend

Economics driving questionable dynamics atm, hopefully the new season ticket regulations curb selling for profit by season ticket holders. From there, the stadium dynamics are that - cules, not hooligans