1 - Marc-Andre ter Ansplant
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DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
This is from nearly two years ago.
That is literally the problem.
Ter Stegen has been awful last couple of years.
Birdy
Senior Member
Daniele's usual way of arguing:
Throw in some lists/rankings from authority sources (which do not have any objective system of ranking to begin with), and bypass the need to argue by defending points one by one.
Not that I agree with the level most here are presenting MATS to be in.
Throw in some lists/rankings from authority sources (which do not have any objective system of ranking to begin with), and bypass the need to argue by defending points one by one.
Not that I agree with the level most here are presenting MATS to be in.
Daniele
Member
te amo barca
Blaugrana al vent
Did you actually even look at the list? Mats is rater higher there than Neuer is
If ter Stegen is better than him, why cannot he become Germany's number 1? I'll tell you why: grandpa Neuer is still twice the GK Mats has ever been. Also Alisson is rated the best GK there even though he was benched by Ederson just this summer. Really tells everything you need to know about it. I'll give you an advice: never draw any inferences from "rating lists" like that one, be it ESPN or Guardian or anything. Watch the game and the stats, and think for yourself.Absolutely. The irony is that he cannot see how superficial his way of thinking is from his podium of arrogance.
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Bobo32
Senior Member
Did you actually even look at the list? Mats is rater higher there than Neuer is
And when that list was written, Bernd Leno was considered better than Martinez...
te amo barca
Blaugrana al vent
Exactly. Things change quickly in football, and just half a season is enough for a player to bloom/show his worth or decline drastically. Now with Mats the problem is ongoing for two years already, so I don't think it is a temporary drop. The way he folds under pressure is unforgivable for a player of Barca's caliber. It is no coincidence he started leaking in goals left and right from every second shot once we came back to the title race and were under pressure.
Daniele
Member
I am flattered mate that you has drawn up my profile
but it is very lacking in completeness.
I first argument. Then, seeing that no one cares, I try to demonstrate how certain bizarre theories (eg washed up Messi) are all internal to this forum in its self-referentiality.
I try to show that the world goes somewhere else and this forum remains anachronistic.
On Mats, I have explained this several times.
A somewhat subdued season (and with him almost all the other Barca players were quite poor) cannot make the judgment on him so negative. It is fabrication of history
Bobo32
Senior Member
Quality is pretty permanent, reputation (often based on form) change pretty quickly. This is my view.
I did not yet see ter Stegen drop massively in quality, and I did not see him making a lot of mistakes.
I do not think he crumbled against Liverpool, PSG or Bayern, and I did not see him leaking a lot of goals this season. If you could show some examples to remind me I'd watch.
te amo barca
Blaugrana al vent
The comparison is that many players, and especially goalkeepers, are late bloomers. Martinez's rise in just a year has been outstanding. He was voted Villa's best player by their fans over the likes of Grealish. He has made a number of clutch saves to end Argentina's title drought. Time will show whether he cements himself among the world's best GKs like Navas did but you should not discard a player just because he was benched in some other teams. Harry Kane polished Leicester's bench just a year before he exploded, for instance. Kante played second division football before he was 23, and so on.
Bobo32
Senior Member
Also, my argument came from you saying ter Stegen can't be good because Neuer is rated higher
Yet you said Martinez who was rated lower than Leno is better than Stegen.
Neuer is still a top 10 keeper btw, not shameful to be below him. Leno on the other hand...?
Is your point that, because things change quickly in football, Barcelona should switch keeper once every other year? I do not believe in that, even if it was done perfectly and meant Barcelonas keeper would always be better than if they stayed with one and the same for longer.
Daniele
Member
However, give him noto so much timw and I'll be no1 in Germany NT, u'll see
te amo barca
Blaugrana al vent
I am not saying they are incompetent, but rather uninformed - they just do not follow Barca and do not watch the games and form their opinion off some isolated matches, FIFA, PES, youtube videos, rating lists and so on.
jamrock
Senior Member
Saying mats is still a class keeper/terrific keep is basically saying pique & lenglet are also class/terrifical & to say such a statement about anyone it them, is to ignore reality.
Terrific/class goalkeepers don't get embarrassed as consistently as they do when they come up against top class opposition.
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Terrific/class goalkeepers don't get embarrassed as consistently as they do when they come up against top class opposition.
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