Vietman war was before that time, and was a disaster on multiple levels. People still suffer from the chemical warfare that US introduced there. So no, not always the good guys before the 80s either, though they do good things also.
Fifa report into alleged corruption clears Qatar to host 2022 World Cup
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Vietman war was before that time, and was a disaster on multiple levels. People still suffer from the chemical warfare that US introduced there. So no, not always the good guys before the 80s either, though they do good things also.
Sumlit
San Claudio Bravo
Is there any chance the 2014 final WC was also corrupted and will be replayed ?
Why replay it when I'm sure we can somehow find a way to prove Germany bought the final, and strip it from them and give it to Messi. Only doing what's right
Vlom
Previously known as Mehssi
Damn it [MENTION=19371]Yannik[/MENTION] you got your 1 wish ! Hope you can get 2 !
No merit if it's not played, I'm just sad that it seems every WC has come at a wrong time for Messi
Why replay it when I'm sure we can somehow find a way to prove Germany bought the final, and strip it from them and give it to Messi. Only doing what's right
No merit if it's not played, I'm just sad that it seems every WC has come at a wrong time for Messi
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Agreed. I dont particulary care if Russia is taken down in the process, as long as they do something about Qatar its good. If US and Europe is only interested in going after Russia, it would be a tragedy.
Yannik
Senior Member
Thats exactly how I feel.
This criticism about russia, yeah it may be right, or maybe it isnt right. According to the west Russia shouldnt get a WC because of their views on war, gay rights, putin etc, this is all debatable. Its however not like the West would be perfect (The USA should therefor not host a WC for attacking countries for oil, my country germany shouldnt get one because they are providing everyone with weapons, from normal countries to terrorists or warlords in africa with child armies). This is all debatable, football in particular has nothing to do with this.
But these things happen, regardless of wether the WC happens there or not. The WC is not causing this. And this is where it gets critical, because in Qatar the WC is actually CAUSING the deaths. The decision to make Qatar host the WC, has let to the demand of stadiums and therfor caused workers to die under slavery conditions there. These guys are practically dying FOR the WC, that is a big difference to russia and therefor in my opinion much more important.
i_bleed_blaugrana
Senior Member
I'm mainly talking about things in the modern era. Racial genocide and slavery, subjugation and genocide of indigenous American tribes, all of those things pale in comparison of even the atrocities committed during the Vietnam and the Cold War. America's very foundation and existence is based on the wealth obtained from stolen land and from the backs we subjugated from to profit off of. The same money that is lobbying Washington's politicians in Congress to this day.
There is no innocence or purity in politics, at least the way it is now, but there have been great exceptions to the rule that have helped make things a whole lot less shitty than they could be. Bottom line, America isn't always the good guys, quite often we are the bad guys, but we have the most potential in the world to do good and sometimes we make it happen. Case and point with this.
Qatar must end, now. Its atrocious what is going on there right now, and I've always had fears for the worst of having a highly televised event like the World Cup that close to regions of extreme conflict.
By the way, this isn't me being anti-Muslim or anything at all, that was the only benefit I saw to it was that it would allow the Muslim community a great chance to exchange cultures and heal wounds as a result of terrorism and past conflicts. If anything, if this was some sort of the sentiment behind support of the WC in Qatar, the best place to do it in would be Turkey since they already have stadiums that can handle big venues like this.
TornAndFrayed
Banned
I'd rather have a fifa president in Europe's pocket and not Asia/Africa/Oceania. Assuming Platini wouldn't go the Blatter route...
Topolino
Gemusesuppe
The WC just shouldn't be held in Qatar for the sake of football. It's like Qatar has so much money, they bought football... the greatest, the most viewed, the most popular sport in the world was bought. If it goes on like that, we'll soon see an "Anti FFP" coming in, where clubs need to spend 10x more money than they earn or face charges.
The World Cup in Russia - ofcourse it grinds the ears of USA, but the hell with them.
Russia handled the winter Olympics quite well... except for the "double toilets"
To me, having a World Cup hosted in my neighbouring country is thrilling - even though I'm not really in the mood of crossing that border due to a "historical beef"
The World Cup in Russia - ofcourse it grinds the ears of USA, but the hell with them.
Russia handled the winter Olympics quite well... except for the "double toilets"
To me, having a World Cup hosted in my neighbouring country is thrilling - even though I'm not really in the mood of crossing that border due to a "historical beef"
Catalan Fan
New member
It's a concern that he may nominate his preferred candidate for the new elections.Then get the same dodgy votes from Africa, Asia etc.Hopefully this won't happen or we're back to square one.
ceefoo
New member
The sad fact is; and as members have already noted : Dollars ($) are more important than lives.
Gallivanter
New member
I don't think Platini, or any European, have a chance.
Gallivanter
New member
If UEFA/Europe were egalitarian, I would agree with you. Sadly, they aren't.
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