Ronald Koeman
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Denmark manages fine without him though.
That said, he is actually better than Luuk de Jong.
iniestaGOAT
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Please.. Pedri Braithwaite De jong Busi and bunch of bothers would all be starters are sevilla.
The only diffrence is they have a proper manger to get the best out of them. Stop it.
FinBarcelonafan
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First I thought the other DeJong and then came back to reality lol
Messi983
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For me Sevilla and Villarreal have the best squad depth in La Liga. Two quality players in each position. Both teams also have a lot of experience and key veterans still performing on a good level unlike our old core. And obviously they have coaches who know how to use what they have at their disposal.
Don't disagree with your point but tbh I think Lopetegui has also played an important role in building of this current Sevilla team. Monchi is bringing him players he wanted to fit into his system. Proven/experienced and mostly physical players. If Lope didn't like them he just didn't play them (like Koeman).
Monchi made some risky big money signings and while Kounde for 25m (and several others like Ocampos, YEN, D.Carlos, Jordan who also cost around 15-20m) clearly turned out great OTOH he has spend 25m on Rony Lopes who never got a chance from Lopetegui and is now on his third loan spell. Oussama Idrissi is a similar example. Monchi has paid 12m for him in 2020, he had a few cameo appearances for Sevilla before being send on loan to Ajax in January where he also barely played. Despite having a good preseason they've probably had no serious offers to sell him so he stayed, started first game against Rayo, was subbed off at HT, then played 26 minutes in next two games and hasn't played since as Lopetegui prefers Suso, Lamela (who had a good start of the season) and Ocampos (has missed a first few games but is now back) as his wingers.
Monchi admitted in an interview some time ago that at first he didn't know what exactly Lopetegui is looking for (and that's probably a main reason for failed transfers like R. Lopes) but now after working with him for years he knows much better so it's easier for him (and his scouts) to go after players that fit Lopetegui's profile better.
Another thing is since WBY for 40m to Monaco in 2019 they've not sold a key player for big money in last two years. Surely, Bryan Gil went to Tottenham this summer but he was on loan last year and not in their first team plans. They've kept Kounde despite interest from Chelsea. We'll see if they can keep him until the end of the season or he'll be sold in January. So they've basically kept their team together for two seasons now and their net spent (I know teams are not looking at finances from that standpoint) since summer 2019 is more than 100m.
And this summer they've added more depth as their starting XI was already good by bringing backup GK (Dmitrović), RB (Montiel who should become a longterm replacement for Navas), LB (Augustinsson - not playing so far yet so could be another Lopetegui "victim"), winger (Lamela to compete with Suso at RW), striker (Rafa Mir is a clear improvement over LDJ) and Delaney who can play both as a DM (to give rest to 34 yo Fernando) or in a CM rotation alongside Jordan, Raki, Oscar Rodriguez,..
I think both Monchi and Lopetegui are co-working well together which is something we haven't seen here in years if ever (on that level). Multiple SDs (or even presidents/boards) have bought players they've liked not caring what whoever our coach was at the time would think about them or if he'd possibly prefer other players who could've turned out better because he'd actually like them and stick with them even if they'd struggle early not giving up on them after a game or two.
Sure, good coaches should get the most out of all players they have but let's not pretend that likes of Pep or Klopp have never written off any player. All coaches are stubborn but in the end it's their results that will show if they have the right to demand who/what they want.
I think in Sevilla's case Monchi is smart enough to recognize his own mistakes so he doesn't insist/push Lope to play players he spend big money on if he doesn't think they're good enough. He's signing players who can bring them immediate success not like in the past when they were looking for young cheap players like Alves, developing them for years before selling for big money while also having some success with them, mostly in Europe.
They will still sell likes of Kounde and En-Nesyri for profit at some point and re-invest that money back in the team but I think they've also realized the state La Liga is currently in and they believe they can actually compete for the title so more proven players like Raki, Papu Gomez, Delaney,... brought in last year can help them better than some 20 year old kids. They will eventually need to rebuild/rejuvenate the team in a few years but that will probably be a job for Lopetegui's successor.
Probably the only downside of this current team is they don't have their own players. Navas is the only Sevilla youth product in current first team AFAIK and he's 35. They've sold Gil who was probably their best product in last years. So a big difference to times when they've had likes of Reyes, Ramos, Puerta, Capel coming through their ranks. I think they are still relatively successful in youth categories so don't know why not more of their kids have really make it to their first team in last decade.
Don't disagree with your point but tbh I think Lopetegui has also played an important role in building of this current Sevilla team. Monchi is bringing him players he wanted to fit into his system. Proven/experienced and mostly physical players. If Lope didn't like them he just didn't play them (like Koeman).
Monchi made some risky big money signings and while Kounde for 25m (and several others like Ocampos, YEN, D.Carlos, Jordan who also cost around 15-20m) clearly turned out great OTOH he has spend 25m on Rony Lopes who never got a chance from Lopetegui and is now on his third loan spell. Oussama Idrissi is a similar example. Monchi has paid 12m for him in 2020, he had a few cameo appearances for Sevilla before being send on loan to Ajax in January where he also barely played. Despite having a good preseason they've probably had no serious offers to sell him so he stayed, started first game against Rayo, was subbed off at HT, then played 26 minutes in next two games and hasn't played since as Lopetegui prefers Suso, Lamela (who had a good start of the season) and Ocampos (has missed a first few games but is now back) as his wingers.
Monchi admitted in an interview some time ago that at first he didn't know what exactly Lopetegui is looking for (and that's probably a main reason for failed transfers like R. Lopes) but now after working with him for years he knows much better so it's easier for him (and his scouts) to go after players that fit Lopetegui's profile better.
Another thing is since WBY for 40m to Monaco in 2019 they've not sold a key player for big money in last two years. Surely, Bryan Gil went to Tottenham this summer but he was on loan last year and not in their first team plans. They've kept Kounde despite interest from Chelsea. We'll see if they can keep him until the end of the season or he'll be sold in January. So they've basically kept their team together for two seasons now and their net spent (I know teams are not looking at finances from that standpoint) since summer 2019 is more than 100m.
And this summer they've added more depth as their starting XI was already good by bringing backup GK (Dmitrović), RB (Montiel who should become a longterm replacement for Navas), LB (Augustinsson - not playing so far yet so could be another Lopetegui "victim"), winger (Lamela to compete with Suso at RW), striker (Rafa Mir is a clear improvement over LDJ) and Delaney who can play both as a DM (to give rest to 34 yo Fernando) or in a CM rotation alongside Jordan, Raki, Oscar Rodriguez,..
I think both Monchi and Lopetegui are co-working well together which is something we haven't seen here in years if ever (on that level). Multiple SDs (or even presidents/boards) have bought players they've liked not caring what whoever our coach was at the time would think about them or if he'd possibly prefer other players who could've turned out better because he'd actually like them and stick with them even if they'd struggle early not giving up on them after a game or two.
Sure, good coaches should get the most out of all players they have but let's not pretend that likes of Pep or Klopp have never written off any player. All coaches are stubborn but in the end it's their results that will show if they have the right to demand who/what they want.
I think in Sevilla's case Monchi is smart enough to recognize his own mistakes so he doesn't insist/push Lope to play players he spend big money on if he doesn't think they're good enough. He's signing players who can bring them immediate success not like in the past when they were looking for young cheap players like Alves, developing them for years before selling for big money while also having some success with them, mostly in Europe.
They will still sell likes of Kounde and En-Nesyri for profit at some point and re-invest that money back in the team but I think they've also realized the state La Liga is currently in and they believe they can actually compete for the title so more proven players like Raki, Papu Gomez, Delaney,... brought in last year can help them better than some 20 year old kids. They will eventually need to rebuild/rejuvenate the team in a few years but that will probably be a job for Lopetegui's successor.
Probably the only downside of this current team is they don't have their own players. Navas is the only Sevilla youth product in current first team AFAIK and he's 35. They've sold Gil who was probably their best product in last years. So a big difference to times when they've had likes of Reyes, Ramos, Puerta, Capel coming through their ranks. I think they are still relatively successful in youth categories so don't know why not more of their kids have really make it to their first team in last decade.
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
This is what Monchi does, he incorporates the coach.
He himself say that at the end he makes a list if players that fits what the coach wants and show him a scouting report and let him rank them and they try to sign them according to their financial capabilities, but this is because Monchi willing to do that.
Now in Koeman's case? He only had 4 signings: Dest, Eric Garcia, Depay, Aguero and Luuk
Dest was signed as a financial relief signing, they sold Semedo for big deal and wanted to save money while getting a replacement. The club only had interest in Max Aarons beside Dest but Norwich wanted more than we were willing to give.
Eric, Depay & Aguero were opportunity signings as free agents, same with Luuk.
I honestly has doubts that Koeman would have asked for any of those if he had 100M signing per summer as we used to have, other than maybe Depay he would have asked for other players.
Same with departures, he has seen the squad being gutted for financial relief.
Looking at the whole situation, I don't think Koeman was allowed have the authority in squad build that Lopetegui had, and the later also had a great SD who can find diamonds for low price
Wambo
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Another proof that the training at this club are sub standard for today's football and that they are not doing enough for the players to achieve top physical shape:
But sure [MENTION=4179]malvolio[/MENTION] will tell you this is all fake news and that the staff at FC Barcelona are all up to date when it comes to performance training and making sure players are reaching their full potential.
Can't wait for all the bootlickers to arrive and say how PSG's stuff is just wasting their time and that this doesn't matter at all and that players fooling around at the basketball court is considered high quality training for football players.
But sure [MENTION=4179]malvolio[/MENTION] will tell you this is all fake news and that the staff at FC Barcelona are all up to date when it comes to performance training and making sure players are reaching their full potential.
Can't wait for all the bootlickers to arrive and say how PSG's stuff is just wasting their time and that this doesn't matter at all and that players fooling around at the basketball court is considered high quality training for football players.
malvolio
Senior Member
'another proof'
mate, that's gossip from a reporter. it doesn't prove anything related to barca's ways of handling training. so what he didn't use that machine at barcelona?
by that same logic i could ask you why the likes of busquets and gavi performed so well at NT, when they are training every day at the club in an old/past it fashion?
Messigician
Senior Member
Chill
Horatio
You're welcome
Gnidrologist
Senior Member
rong
Rassvet
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By the way: more than one person (and more than 2) who witnessed the friendly against Cornell? today explained to me that they were surprised by Koeman's apathy. He did not give instructions, he did not correct anything. Just watching the game. The truth is I do not understand
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iniestaGOAT
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If he isn't doing nothing in real games why would him doing nothing in a meaningless games be surprising.
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