Neeraj said:
Now - those of us who called Valverde shit - we are ready to give Setien some time. If he's shit - we will call him shit too. I know I'm not going to make excuses for Setien next season, and just look for reasons to say he is better than Valverde. If he's shit, he's shit. That is the fact, whatever I think of Valverde. You, on the other hand, refuse to see it like that. You've basically admitted in your post that you will not be objective - so I'm not sure how you expect people to take your posts on Setien seriously then, given that you're just looking to troll. It's just weird - because as a Barca fan, unless you're related to Valverde or have some personal reason to love him, there's no reason for such an extreme backing of the guy. He's not a legend, and AT BEST, you can maybe not hate him because you can argue that he won 2 la ligas. But what you're doing is just baffling.
It is not even about EV.
Roots are in the entitlement of our fans.
Fans want:
1. La ligas
2. CL
3. Eye pleasing football
4. Playing their favorite players
5. Playing young La Masia players
Without Messi, there wasn't a single moment in a history where we had all 5 things.
When you add a fact that we cheated with La Masia in the past and that in normal times, it is hard to expect La Masia talents.
About a CL, we won 1 CL/Champions cup prior to Messi.
Out of these 5 factors, EV has failed at playing beautiful (and playing forum favorites).
My 2 points: EV was accused for 10s of things for no reason.
Point2: maybe you guys demand too much.
You say: if Setien will be shit...
That will mean:
No1: EV was not as bad as people thought
No2: if Setien will have similar results, maybe that is our reality today.
Imo, people are still living on clouds and measuring everything with Pep's era, when we had everything.
But back then:
1. We had a better president
2. We had better sporting directors
3. We had young Messi
4. We had Xavi-Iniesta
5. We had young players
6. Our players won 0 or 1 Cl in their careers (they were hungry)
7. Seria A just died and a CL lost Milan and Juve
8. EPL was not as rich as today so it was easier to buy EVERY SINGLE player
9. There was no oil clubs like Psg and City, who are copying us and buying players whom we want and thus making it harder for us
10. We cheated with La masia rules and gained an unfair advantage over the opponents
11. No Atletico Madrid to kick our asses in Europe
And imo, people are still living in that era and are expecting a similar level of results, titles, beautiful play, domination, investing in youths.
And then, when a coach fails in some of these things, he is a cancer.
Serghei will now come and say: we need a right coach, Pep or Klopp.
But why would they come here?
There are Barca, Real, Bayern, Juve, Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool plus Chelsea, Arsenal, Psg, Tottenham.
7+4 big clubs in Europe.
If there are two good coaches in the world, only 2 teams will get them and 5 will have to settle for mediocricy.
But then, if you live in a past (Pep's era), people are used to have it all:
1. Best coach, Pep
2. Best player, Messi
3. Key players, Xavi, Iniesta, Busi
4. La Masia talents (cheating)
5. Beautiful play
6. Trophies
7. Domination
Again, how realistic is to expect anything close to that:
1. With coaches not named Pep and Klopp
2. With no Messi or 32 years old Messi
3. No Xavi and Iniesta
4. Bad president
5. Bad directors
6. Bad transfers
7. No La Masia anymore
8. Emergence of oil clubs and EPL rich teams
I could even defend Setien, this is not only about EV.
If you guys are expecting anything close to our golden years, then every coach will be sacked in a few Months and you will call him a cancer.
Pep's era, as mentioned in the beginning, had a mix of 10 perfect factors.
Today we have none of those factors, lol.
If you look at it in this way, you will understand why I don't hate EV.
Because all 10 factors around our club are horrible and the opponents are stronger than back then due to oil clubs, Juve back from death, emergence of Simeone's Atletico in a CL and extremely rich EPL clubs.
