Quique Setien

[FCBfan22]

Rest of the team got lazy/old.

And yet people are ripping at Messi alone for lack of running when Messi himself is old.

We don't need Messi running 10-12 km to succeed. Yes, it would be perfect if he ran more than his usual and he should. We can criticize him for that fairly. But we need everyone else - especially the midfield and other forwards - to be like Griezmann and put in an absolute shift. If that's done, we can still compete in this competition. Maybe not win it or certainly not be dominant as we once were, but compete.

Exactly. That's why both Leo and Luis on the pitch are a burden.

 

[DonAK]

People are watching Setien's tenure so far with rose tinted glasses. Valverde was killed for some of the things Setien has done so far.

We're better playing the ball out from the back with Setien and have made some marginal improvements, but you're comparing the absolute worst of Valverde's tenure with Setien so far.

There's no way Setien is going to be the solution to any problem. We need a better manager.

 

[KingLeo10]

People are watching Setien's tenure so far with rose tinted glasses. Valverde was killed for some of the things Setien has done so far.

We're better playing the ball out from the back with Setien and have made some marginal improvements, but you're comparing the absolute worst of Valverde's tenure with Setien so far.

There's no way Setien is going to be the solution to any problem. We need a better manager.

Even the so called 'intensity' and 'running' isn't reflected in the stats. He's coddling the seniors same as EV did. We ran 100 km average under both.

110-115 km in Lucho's first year and 110-120 km in Pep's years, by comparison.

 

[DonAK]

Even the so called 'intensity' and 'running' isn't reflected in the stats. He's coddling the seniors same as EV did. We ran 100 km average under both.

110-115 km in Lucho's first year and 110-120 km in Pep's years, by comparison.

Just watch our midfield last night. They played in as straight line similarly to how it was under Valverde. So much for Setien's amazing positional sense and tactical nous.

He's managing to take away de Jong's best skillset completely and is just as afraid going for the kill as Ernie.

 

[DonAK]

For what it's worth I believe we need a LW, CF, Offensive CM, B2B MF, CB and arguably a RB

So this team have a lot of issues, but I don't get the people who are seeing something completely different so far. I'm also not handing the keys of a new project to a 61 year old Quique Setien who made his CL debut last night and has never won a major trophy.

At least Valverde did well with Athletic and went to a Europa League/UEFA Cup final with Espanyol.

 

[serghei]

But you're comparing the absolute worst of Valverde's tenure with Setien so far.

These are actually the worst conditions we've had in the last 3 years. Never recall a period where more than half our bench in a key CL game was made by kids because everyone else is injured.

 

[serghei]

There is more to that statistic then just a number..here you can view it:
https://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/ucl/2020/2027123_ts.pdf

We run more in the second half when possession has fallen a bit and we were chasing a goal. Also, majority of distance covered in football is not in some sprint but movement is slower tempo, and third Messi, that's 3km less in the beginnig.
So I don't think is down to old team or something, it's down to wrong statical style in which possession is main goal and fear of losing the ball.

I think it's down to poor physical preparation personally. Not all old players become lazy. Some are true professionals and hardworking. But ours, thanks to how this club evolved in time, from board to the managers we had, have become complacent and lazy. They were never under risk to lose their spot, never challenged to keep the same level. So this led to a decrease in intensity from season to season.

 

[khaled_a_d]

These are actually the worst conditions we've had in the last 3 years. Never recall a period where more than half our bench in a key CL game was made by kids because everyone else is injured.

And huge part of it because our coach accepted the job without any guarantees that he will get reinforcement, pushing Carles Perez out and counting on Dembele. He is a part of the reason (though Abidal,who hired him, is the main reason)

 

[serghei]

And huge part of it because our coach accepted the job without any guarantees that he will get reinforcement, pushing Carles Perez out and counting on Dembele. He is a part of the reason (though Abidal,who hired him, is the main reason)

Carles Perez was never a solution. He showed even less than Sandro and Munir when he played. Setien is not a problem, but he can't compensate all the other issues we have. Managers aren't magicians.

 

[DonAK]

The best thing that could happen to Barca is a new board, new manager, players like Busquets gracefully moving on.

 

[KingLeo10]

Carles Perez was never a solution. He showed even less than Sandro and Munir when he played. Setien is not a problem, but he can't compensate all the other issues we have. Managers aren't magicians.

We'll see how he fields in the Clasico but if he keeps coddling seniors as that starting lineup did v Napoli, it's clear he shouldn't be given much thought long term.

 

[serghei]

We'll see how he fields in the Clasico but if he keeps coddling seniors as that starting lineup did v Napoli, it's clear he shouldn't be given much thought long term.

Well, the only changes he can make imo are Arthur and Lenglet since the first minute. Especially Arthur. And Fati subbed sooner.

 

[DonAK]

We'll see how he fields in the Clasico but if he keeps coddling seniors as that starting lineup did v Napoli, it's clear he shouldn't be given much thought long term.

If your goal is to build a CL winning team again you're not giving Setien a shot at all. Quique seem like a very good guy, but he's out of his depth. No club is going to give a guy with no experience whatsoever the task with rebuilding a team like Barcelona.

He's not Jupp Heynckes, a former CL winner. He's a manager that's never won a major trophy.

 

[mc_lovin]

Carles Perez was never a solution. He showed even less than Sandro and Munir when he played. Setien is not a problem, but he can't compensate all the other issues we have. Managers aren't magicians.

I think if Perez was right footed he would still be here. Bad luck for him.

As for Setien: I will judge him after the season. His CV means nothing to me (just like Mourinhos wouldnt).

 

[serghei]

I think if Perez was right footed he would still be here. Bad luck for him.

As for Setien: I will judge him after the season. His CV means nothing to me (just like Mourinhos wouldnt).

Same.