Neymar

Temptation

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Anyone who thinks Griezmann is better than Neymar and Hazard is clueless.

Don't give a fuck about team trophies. Only care about the individual performances in these conversations. Griezmann won the 2018 WC but Hazard was easily the best player in the competition.

If the biggest argument in favour of a player is a collective achievement or a team trophy then chances are that the player isn't truly elite (like Ryan Giggs).

When I talk about Xavi, I don't say he's great because he won the WC and the CL. I say that he dominated teams, made Prime Barca/Spain tick and controlled the biggest games in his prime.

David Villa won everything. Doesn't mean Totti and Kane aren't clear of him.
 

vegitot

Senior Member
Griezmann is currently at absolutely shit level and before the goal in Madrileno he hasn't scored in ages

Do you hear anyone talking about it? No. But when Neymar has a good game and wins against one of best south american clubs, but has a failed dribble in 90th minute of the game attempting to timewaste he gets mocked for it on social media all day long . And this is okay, because we are speaking of players on different level here and that's why they are held to different standards. But then we need to acknowledge it when we want to compare Griezmann to Neymar
Santos are about to get relegated. And Ancelotti doesn't even know who Neymar is.

No need to act like Neymar is at top class level now. He is finished since 2022 WC.
 
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vegitot

Senior Member
Top scorer and assister of Brazil has no weight? In a tougher confederation too. Griezmann has been a mainstay during a successful France era, part of many titles, but not really the main man apart from 2016.

Neymar always did what he could. Can't remember a big tournament where he let the team down, and if he did, it's much less than times he was carrying the team.
And there is no tournament which Neymar "carried" Brazil either. 2014 maybe but Brazil were top favourite and home advantage. 2018 he was outclassed by Fatzard and 2022 he was a clown for trying to be a last penalty hero.

Brazil won the only tournament that Neymar didn't play.
Anyone who thinks Griezmann is better than Neymar and Hazard is clueless.

Don't give a fuck about team trophies. Only care about the individual performances in these conversations. Griezmann won the 2018 WC but Hazard was easily the best player in the competition.

If the biggest argument in favour of a player is a collective achievement or a team trophy then chances are that the player isn't truly elite (like Ryan Giggs).

When I talk about Xavi, I don't say he's great because he won the WC and the CL. I say that he dominated teams, made Prime Barca/Spain tick and controlled the biggest games in his prime.

David Villa won everything. Doesn't mean Totti and Kane aren't clear of him.
Don't even try to put Hazard into these conversations. It's embarassing. Like Hazard but he is far below guys like Griezmann and Neymar (apart from dribbling).
 

Messigician

Senior Member
.@javigiorgetti: "Neymar's contract with Santos expires in a few weeks, 6 G/A in his last 3 games... What if there’s one last dance for Neymar at Barça? Low-salary contract, secondary role under Flick."

"He returns to the Spotify Camp Nou, apologizes, helps Barça to win 6th Champions League, some advice for Lamine, then goes to the World Cup and wins it — while also helping the club financially with his signing."

"He retires with a World Cup and forever as a Barça legend."

Announce Neymarmarmar
 
Brazil would be stupid not to nominate him for WC squad. Shouldnt start as offense is brutal enough but would be a super useful sub when they need a goal. His passes are still worldclass.
 

MonteCuler

Well-known member
if people were hating on him this thread would see a lot of activity. Barcaforum rule.

Just not that relevant of a player anymore I guess.
Not relevant lol

Every failed dribble with Santos is all over social media every time

Even when he is best player on the pitch vs Palmeiras, wins the game and those dribbles are part of stoppage time wasting

Relevant when he is to be hated, irrelevant when he shuts haters mouth
 

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