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Roy Keane and both saying "YES" is pure comedy.
Yeah, this kind of disqualified whatever they were saying
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Yeah, this kind of disqualified whatever they were saying
Maradona37
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Also, stop calling that utter scummy cunt Ferguson 'Sir Alex'. It's sycophantic both towards that dickhead and the scummy royal family.
Birdy
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Birdy
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Any coach has the right to determine formation, tactics, and personnel selection
No director, or SD, should intervene with that
(unlike with transfers)
That said, coach SD and directors, should all agree on common long-term idea/plan.
If that's not possible, then there is a problem, and the first that pays the price is the coach
Birdy
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ok, with that firing, UTD is still an unserious club, even with INEOS in charge.
Ratcliffe seemed like a guy who gets the long-term game, but with 2 coach sackings (and 1 SD sacking) in almost a year, his track record is already poor
PS: The silver lining is that there is a top top coach out there, PL-proven, and desperate to coach UTD: Oliver Glasner.
If they can hire him and TRUST him for at least 2 seasons, UTD might restore themselves from their comatose existence
Ratcliffe seemed like a guy who gets the long-term game, but with 2 coach sackings (and 1 SD sacking) in almost a year, his track record is already poor
PS: The silver lining is that there is a top top coach out there, PL-proven, and desperate to coach UTD: Oliver Glasner.
If they can hire him and TRUST him for at least 2 seasons, UTD might restore themselves from their comatose existence
GloryHunter 007
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I honestly dont think ManU restore anything in the forseeable future.
Birdy
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The structure is sick, that's true.
But Glasner has a much higher ceiling than Amorim. Let's see
Maradona37
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It's been obvious since day one that Ratcliffe (and INEOS in general) are clueless. I said it, so it isn't hindsight. Their thick, gullible, clueless fans fell for yet more media hype over an admin appointment, though.
Also, it will take infinitely more than Oliver Glasner to 'restore United'. He's another fake (by elite standards) doing well at a small club (though Palace are struggling now) who'd flop at a huge club with more pressure. Same as Ten Hag and Amorim. You do love your hipster coaches.
They need a complete transformation of the entire club and change of their football ethos from crap 90s counter attack. They need to be dragged into the 21st century. Glasner doesn't help with that. He's a reactive coach who can only play transitional football.
Birdy
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Glasner won EL with Eintracht Frankfurt, that's a monumental achievement both ETH and Amorim did not acheive with Ajax or Sporting.
Then, he has shown already at Palace signs of overachieving and resilience in cup games, like winning FA final against City last season
Of course, you can't just play transition football at UTD, but the jury is still out for that.
He will be given the chance at top club, and we will see if he can or not
Iniesta Ultra
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He's a good shooter and ball carrier but his first touch isn't elite like Zirks and Amad. Recently he's been stuck on the pitch with Sesko who's massively underperforming along with eight defenders so he's been trying to do everything himself which is a dead end of course. He flourishes when Zirks gets subbed on.
Pretty sure he'll drop the Bruno hero ball act if interim starts Zirks, Amad/Lacey, Mainoo, Case.
United ultras rightfully celebrating today.
Maradona37
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Any coach can win a one-off second tier trophy. It isn't a predictor or indicator of restoring a fallen giant over the long term. That's no way to judge something.
You were overly strong in your belief, like Glasner is a sure thing.
It's not even a criticism of him - he's a good coach for a less elite level, one of many. The problem is that the number of coaches out there with the ability to restore United is infinitesimally small (if one even exists). Glasner certainly isn't in that group. I don't even think Pep could do it. They're rotten from top to bottom.
All the guys on here like delancey talking about 'just hire an amazing coach!' are looking at this all wrong. They need complete restructuring at every level and to be taught as a club to play like Barca, Man City, Bayern or even Liverpool, rather than the 'smash it long and into space' Brunoball they played as far back as the 90s but has become outdated since Pep's Barca changed football. That football can only take you so far - it cannot win you league titles or build you a legacy in the current year. Real Madrid with their voodoo are the only exception.
Maradona37
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I will say again what I firmly believe is United's real root problem. It's not the Glazers, or INEOS, or the poor academy that produces mostly average footballers, or the coach, or the fans, or the media (though those are all huge problems, don't get me wrong).
For me, the REAL crux of the problem is their ethos as a club. IN the year 2026, the ability to play possession football and effectively break down deep defences and be good in tight spaces, play out from the back, is king. This has been true since Pep's Barca changed football and influenced lots of teams to play this way.
Notice how United fans call Barca and City and Pep football 'boring'? Turning their nose up at it? This is because they prefer more speed merchant primitive 'counter-attacking', which is easier to play but in the year 2026 has a much lower ceiling and reward.
Until they punt guys like 'Bruno' who thrives in space and needs chaos and a lack of control to be effective, and sign much more technically gifted players than Ugarte, Dorgu, Sesko and so on, they'll continue to struggle.
They need to produce or sign Barca DNA players and be taught as a club how to play that, as they're still trying to play prehistoric 90s PL football in the year 2026. The bar has been raised significantly - even clubs like Brighton play far better football than United, and are much more proficient in tight spaces and patterns of play.
The best teams - Bayern, City, Barca of Pep's day - control games. They don't play in moments or basketball games. Even Liverpool - they're a hybrid possession/counter team who lean more to high turnovers and countering, but are still much better than United in possession (though not as good as Man City).
So United can hire whoever they like in the hotseat, and delancey can champion whatever 'elite manager' he wishes. Until they change their entire style of play and update it to 2020s football, they'll forever struggle.
I am sure this will be disagreed with by some, but how many pure counter attack teams are successful? Real Madrid, and that's it.
For me, the REAL crux of the problem is their ethos as a club. IN the year 2026, the ability to play possession football and effectively break down deep defences and be good in tight spaces, play out from the back, is king. This has been true since Pep's Barca changed football and influenced lots of teams to play this way.
Notice how United fans call Barca and City and Pep football 'boring'? Turning their nose up at it? This is because they prefer more speed merchant primitive 'counter-attacking', which is easier to play but in the year 2026 has a much lower ceiling and reward.
Until they punt guys like 'Bruno' who thrives in space and needs chaos and a lack of control to be effective, and sign much more technically gifted players than Ugarte, Dorgu, Sesko and so on, they'll continue to struggle.
They need to produce or sign Barca DNA players and be taught as a club how to play that, as they're still trying to play prehistoric 90s PL football in the year 2026. The bar has been raised significantly - even clubs like Brighton play far better football than United, and are much more proficient in tight spaces and patterns of play.
The best teams - Bayern, City, Barca of Pep's day - control games. They don't play in moments or basketball games. Even Liverpool - they're a hybrid possession/counter team who lean more to high turnovers and countering, but are still much better than United in possession (though not as good as Man City).
So United can hire whoever they like in the hotseat, and delancey can champion whatever 'elite manager' he wishes. Until they change their entire style of play and update it to 2020s football, they'll forever struggle.
I am sure this will be disagreed with by some, but how many pure counter attack teams are successful? Real Madrid, and that's it.
delancey
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Fake news
Maradona37
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Absolute fraud that guy. The brilliant thing is on Redcafe they seem convinced he's one of the best defenders of his generation, despite them conceding goals galore since signing him.
Suits me.
Maradona37
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Nah it's all true, despite you talking like Trump. It's obvious from watching them that they're hopeless at breaking down deep defences, which any title contender has to do most weeks to accumulate enough points to win league titles. You just cannot retort. You lack the vocabulary and football knowledge.Fake news
You don't have any real clue about football, especially as you never talk about anything pre 1992.
You also seriously believe Amorim might be United's worst manager in their 150 year history. That's such an incredibly lacking in knowledge claim, highlighting you can never laugh at anything I say on football when you come out with something as insane as that. You little laughing smiley is more evidence of your delusion and fake confidence.
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