Manchester United

[Maradona37]

Also @delancey a lot of their fans don't like Bruno, and are constantly lamenting their inability to 'control games and break down deep defences'. Saying they wanna play more like Man City.

So even their own fans recognise this. Like how women recognise Hardy is much sexier than Ronaldo and you laugh that off too, as if you know better than the people on the inside. Deluded cunt.

 

[Birdy]

I will say again what I firmly believe is United's real root problem. It's not the Glazers, or INEOS, or the poor academy that produces mostly average footballers, or the coach, or the fans, or the media (though those are all huge problems, don't get me wrong).

For me, the REAL crux of the problem is their ethos as a club. IN the year 2026, the ability to play possession football and effectively break down deep defences and be good in tight spaces, play out from the back, is king. This has been true since Pep's Barca changed football and influenced lots of teams to play this way.

Notice how United fans call Barca and City and Pep football 'boring'? Turning their nose up at it? This is because they prefer more speed merchant primitive 'counter-attacking', which is easier to play but in the year 2026 has a much lower ceiling and reward.

Until they punt guys like 'Bruno' who thrives in space and needs chaos and a lack of control to be effective, and sign much more technically gifted players than Ugarte, Dorgu, Sesko and so on, they'll continue to struggle.

They need to produce or sign Barca DNA players and be taught as a club how to play that, as they're still trying to play prehistoric 90s PL football in the year 2026. The bar has been raised significantly - even clubs like Brighton play far better football than United, and are much more proficient in tight spaces and patterns of play.

The best teams - Bayern, City, Barca of Pep's day - control games. They don't play in moments or basketball games. Even Liverpool - they're a hybrid possession/counter team who lean more to high turnovers and countering, but are still much better than United in possession (though not as good as Man City).

So United can hire whoever they like in the hotseat, and delancey can champion whatever 'elite manager' he wishes. Until they change their entire style of play and update it to 2020s football, they'll forever struggle.

I am sure this will be disagreed with by some, but how many pure counter attack teams are successful? Real Madrid, and that's it.

'Possession-football' vs 'counter-attacking football' is an oversimplification

All big teams need to be able to win by having possession, because it's a fact that lesser teams will give yoy the ball and sit deep

There are tons of different styles out there, and not all 'possession-based' tactics are the same AT ALL

Let's start from there.
And from there you need to acknowledge that Glasner, for instance, was forced to craft his team to cede possession, as they were midlower teams facing giants.

That doesn't prove anything of the things you mention, like that he is good only for the 2nd tier of football.
That's a common fallacy that many here propagate for any coach who was not born with pedigree
(same peope BTW who worship a horrible coach like Xavi even before they see him coaching)

PS: but you are right UTD is rotten inside, and the whole institution has to change.
INEOS seemed like they had the right ideas about how to do it, inspired by how FSG did it at Liverpool.
Not sure they are following that plan anymore
Let's see

 

[Maradona37]

'Possession-football' vs 'counter-attacking football' is an oversimplification

All big teams need to be able to win by having possession, because it's a fact that lesser teams will give yoy the ball and sit deep

There are tons of different styles out there, and not all 'possession-based' tactics are the same AT ALL

Let's start from there.
And from there you need to acknowledge that Glasner, for instance, was forced to craft his team to cede possession, as they were midlower teams facing giants.

That doesn't prove anything of the things you mention, like that he is good only for the 2nd tier of football.
That's a common fallacy that many here propagate for any coach who was not born with pedigree
(same peope BTW who worship a horrible coach like Xavi even before they see him coaching)

I never said it's that simple as 'posesssion v counter attacking' dichotomy (though let's be honest, most games devolve into the smaller team sitting back and trying to counter the bigger side), I said it's the general rule. That controlling the ball and the game has a far higher ceiling than the transitional football United play.

Also, if you're thinking about getting uppity with me - look at my recent post in the Liverpool thread.

 

[delancey]

Nah it's all true, despite you talking like Trump. It's obvious from watching them that they're hopeless at breaking down deep defences, which any title contender has to do most weeks to accumulate enough points to win games. You just cannot retort. You lack the vocabulary and football knowledge.

You don't have any real clue about football, especially as you never talk about anything pre 1992.

You also seriously believe Amorim might be United's worst manager in their 150 year history. That's such an incredibly lacking in knowledge claim, highlighting you can never laugh at anything I say on football when you come out with something as insane as that. You little laughing smiley is more evidence of your delusion and fake confidence.

Hire the right manager to lead a club to glory, and players can easily be molded into playing according to the manager’s vision, and this can essentially happen over night. A good, recent example of this occurred when Flick joined Barcelona. Our players and team went from playing some of the worst and most boring football out of all the top European teams to some of the most entertaining football any fan could wish for.

Aston Villa under Emery is another example….

Point is, change can occur very quickly when a club hires the right manager. Hence why I think you are wrong.

 

[Maradona37]

Mate, mock me all you like with your deluded sense of self - you're a clown who has got no clue about the history of Man United. Google someone like Frank O' Farrell. You're making claims on Amorim despite the fact your breadth of knowledge is so so limited and you have no clue about how much United struggled in the 70s and 80s and before Busby.

That's the biggest evidence of you being dumb - you feel authoritative enough to ask if Amorim is their worst ever coach despite having very little knowledge of the club pre the Sky era. If you said he's their worst coach since Ferguson fair enough, as you have knowledge of that period. But you're absolutely fucking clueless about the 70s and 80s lean years, cos you're a typical plastic who thinks football started in 1992.

 

[Maradona37]

Also, @delancey the only reason I am snapping at you is you are a two-faced little maggot. I don't care about your lack of football knowledge or your 'average looks' except in the context of insulting me while possessing them.

I thought you and I had made amends, we seemed to bury the hatchet. I don't post for close to months. Next thing I look on here and see you mocking me yet again with that Indian creep while I wasn't even here. I must really have hurt you both. I know I hurt him by telling him he's a celebrity worshipper and plastic who's never been to Europe, never mind Anfield, and laughing at him for not knowing who Tommy Smith is. And questioning if a genuine Liverpool fan would flick the bean over Mourinho and Ronaldo as much as he does.

Either way, your behaviour towards me? Highlights your character and lack of decency, and loyalty.

 

[delancey]

First, I am challenging your take. You cannot seriously be so sensitive that that you cannot handle criticism or opposition?

Second, the statement on Amorim was hyperbolic to highlight just how poor Amorim has been for United. After all, I did include an exclamation mark after the question mark, did I not? I think you were the only one who missed that little detail.

But you are actually right about one thing. I am not interested in discussing who managed Manchester United 150 years ago nor am I knowledgeable about its long-term history. In fact, sports have evolved so much over the last few decades that it’s silly and unfair comparing past and present. Each generation should be judged for its accomplishments for that time period alone.

Long story short, Amorim did a terrible job at Man U. Period.

 

[delancey]

Also, @delancey the only reason I am snapping at you is you are a two-faced little maggot. I don't care about your lack of football knowledge or your 'average looks' except in the context of insulting me while possessing them.

I thought you and I had made amends, we seemed to bury the hatchet. I don't post for close to months. Next thing I look on here and see you mocking me yet again with that Indian creep.

Highlights your character and lack of decency, and loyalty.

Are you on drugs?

 

[Maradona37]

Are you on drugs?

No. I am clearly asking why you were still slagging me off after we buried the hatchet. I would never do that.

Asking me a cheeky question rather than answering me is the clear sarcastic deflection tactics that you and a million other little pricks employ on forums and social media.

 

[Maradona37]

Aye, and maybe you're the one on drugs.

You seem absolutely convinced that Ronaldo is better looking than Tom Hardy - despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary emanating from women. What makes you think straight men like you, Fati and Tempt know better than women what women find sexy?

Cognitive dissonance.

 

[delancey]

Also, @delancey the only reason I am snapping at you is you are a two-faced little maggot. I don't care about your lack of football knowledge or your 'average looks' except in the context of insulting me while possessing them.

I thought you and I had made amends, we seemed to bury the hatchet. I don't post for close to months. Next thing I look on here and see you mocking me yet again with that Indian creep while I wasn't even here. I must really have hurt you both. I know I hurt him by telling him he's a celebrity worshipper and plastic who's never been to Europe, never mind Anfield, and laughing at him for not knowing who Tommy Smith is. And questioning if a genuine Liverpool fan would flick the bean over Mourinho and Ronaldo as much as he does.

Either way, your behaviour towards me? Highlights your character and lack of decency, and loyalty.

I don’t know that Tempt is Indian, but even if he were, so what? He’s a cool dude with interesting takes. What have Indians ever done to you? Did they hurt your feelings or something?

 

[Maradona37]

I don’t know that Tempt is Indian, but even if he were, so what? He’s a cool dude with interesting takes. What have Indians ever done to you? Did they hurt your feelings?

Nah, because he's a plastic Indian who 'supports' Liverpool and he is hurt that I called him out on it (after he called me a plastic when I don't even support a team). Him being Indian is also why he's so insecure about his looks and obsessed with his height, hairline and the gym - even if he is handsome, he knows Indians are rated the least attractive men by women - not just in the West, but in his own country.

Questions like 'did they hurt your feelings' are typical of the condescending sarcasm you lace every post with, whether you're arguing with me or Gnidrologist or anyone else. It's intellectually dishonest and you resort to that because you cannot refute people's points.

Anyway, feel free to tell me why I thought you and I were cool and then I come back online and you're mocking me again with that wanker. It just screams snide two faced ratty little Jew, to me.

He's also not a cool dude, he's another one who stabbed me in the back and who trolls incessantly on here, and his takes are 'interesting' to you because you lack the football nous to see his lies.

 

[delancey]

Aye, and maybe you're the one on drugs.

You seem absolutely convinced that Ronaldo is better looking than Tom Hardy - despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary emanating from women. What makes you think straight men like you, Fati and Tempt know better than women what women find sexy?

Cognitive dissonance.

Your behavior on here is highly consistent with someone on drugs. Completely unhinged at times, low emotional regulation, confrontational and aggressive, picking fights with everyone over silliness. That’s why I ask.

 

[Maradona37]

Your behavior on here is highly consistent with someone on drugs. Completely unhinged at times, low emotional regulation, confrontational and aggressive, picking fights with everyone over silliness. That’s why I ask.

Sucks for you I am not on drugs then.

Also, don't act like you're some sort of innocent guy. As I said, you slagged me off when I wasn't here, and you constantly dig at posters you don't like who aren't me eg Gnidrologist. You're hardly the picture of normalcy.

It also seems impossible to get a straight answer from you, so I will ask one more time. Why is it we were fine, we talked in messages and had buried the hatchet. Then I come online and you're slagging me with the Lewa cock sucker as if we had never reconciled? Don't you see that is typical Jew behaviour?

You have no honour or sense of loyalty, or morals.

 

[delancey]

Nah, because he's a plastic Indian who 'supports' Liverpool and he is hurt that I called him out on it (after he called me a plastic when I don't even support a team). Him being Indian is also why he's so insecure about his looks - even if he is handsome, he knows Indians are rated the least attractive men by women - not just in the West, but in his own country.

Questions like 'did they hurt your feelings' are typical of the condescending sarcasm you lace every post with, whether you're arguing with me or Gindrologist or anyone else.

Anyway, feel free to tell me why I thought you and I were cool and then I come back online and you're mocking me again with that wanker. It just screams snide two faced ratty little Jew, to me.

He's also not a cool dude, he's another one who stabbed me in the back and who trolls incessantly on here, and his takes are 'interesting' to you because you lack the football nous to see his lies.

It sure seems as if he hurt your feelings when he complimented CR7’s looks.