Lionel Messi - v7

te amo barca

Blaugrana al vent
exactly. we have the best player on the planet for quite some time and instead of working to maximize his potential we fucked up.

imagine messi in the muller role, with sane on the left, gnabry on right and lewa as CF. with goretzka and thiago behind him.

Messi can't play in the Muller role. He doesn't have the workrate and off-the-ball movement. It is not as simple as simply slotting a player in that CAM position and thinking it will work.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
exactly. we have the best player on the planet for quite some time and instead of working to maximize his potential we fucked up.

imagine messi in the muller role, with sane on the left, gnabry on right and lewa as CF. with goretzka and thiago behind him.

Sure as fuck would not have pressed Barca defence the way they did on Saturday.

Bayern dont need to imagine as they wouldnt swap it.
 

olivis

New member
exactly. we have the best player on the planet for quite some time and instead of working to maximize his potential we fucked up.

imagine messi in the muller role, with sane on the left, gnabry on right and lewa as CF. with goretzka and thiago behind him. not to mention both fullbacks bombing on the wings.
That would make for some beautiful combinations,
But Muller runs like 13km each game, is crucial for their pressing, runs, creates space.

Tbh Messi just needs to start running again and he'll be the best in the world again.
 

malvolio

Senior Member
Messi can't play in the Muller role. He doesn't have the workrate and off-the-ball movement. It is not as simple as simply slotting a player in that CAM position and thinking it will work.

doesn't have to run as much. he is better at finishing, passing, vision, spotting runs, dribbling, free kicks, playing one-twos etc.

i'm just pointing out the position and not the exact role. of course muller runs more, did that all his life.
 

te amo barca

Blaugrana al vent
Tbh Messi just needs to start running again and he'll be the best in the world again.

Messi never ran a lot and certainly can't suddenly running more than 7-8 km while being 33 years of age. This is just the type of a player he is.

doesn't have to run as much. he is better at finishing, passing, vision, spotting runs, dribbling, free kicks, playing one-twos etc.

Then you just don't understand the fundamental basics of that Bayern team. Only a Muller type CAM works there because there are two actual wingers and a center forward. Without a high-workrate CAM, the team just crumbles defensively and effectively has only two midfielders.
 

Judoman

Senior Member
Messi can't play in the Muller role. He doesn't have the workrate and off-the-ball movement. It is not as simple as simply slotting a player in that CAM position and thinking it will work.


Yeah and Muller doesn't have Messi's passing, finishing and scoring. Would you rather have a high workrate player or a goat?
It's not simple but it's doable. It takes the right coach to make the necessary tactical and squad adjustments.
 

te amo barca

Blaugrana al vent
Yeah and Muller doesn't have Messi's passing, finishing and scoring. Would you rather have a high workrate player or a goat?
It's not simple but it's doable. It takes the right coach to make the necessary tactical and squad adjustments.

Not one Bayern fan would want Messi to replace Muller in that line-up.
 

ebc_99

Active member
I can't believe people on a Barca forum are trying to argue that Thomas Muller would be more valuable to any team than Lionel Messi. If Bayern thought they would have a realistic chance of getting Messi they would drop Muller in a heartbeat as would anyone else, the gap in quality between the two players is enormous. And it is easy for Bayern fans to say they wouldn't swap, but if the had the chance to in real life then Messi would be a Bayern player in the morning.
 

Judoman

Senior Member
Not one Bayern fan would want Messi to replace Muller in that line-up.

So? Why would Bayern fans want to replace a club legend who just had an legendary game. What does that prove?
If you want a real answer wait a month and ask this question to a 1000 random people.
 

te amo barca

Blaugrana al vent
I can't believe people on a Barca forum are trying to argue that Thomas Muller would be more valuable to any team than Lionel Messi. If Bayern thought they would have a realistic chance of getting Messi they would drop Muller in a heartbeat as would anyone else, the gap in quality between the two players is enormous. And it is easy for Bayern fans to say they wouldn't swap, but if the had the chance to in real life then Messi would be a Bayern player in the morning.

Muller is invaluable to Flick's Bayern due to the system installed. Messi can't press and move off the ball in the way Muller does even if he is much better on the ball. It is not about Messi being the better player - he is. But he doesn't fit in that high press system at CAM.
 

Porque

Senior Member
I can't believe people on a Barca forum are trying to argue that Thomas Muller would be more valuable to any team than Lionel Messi. If Bayern thought they would have a realistic chance of getting Messi they would drop Muller in a heartbeat as would anyone else, the gap in quality between the two players is enormous. And it is easy for Bayern fans to say they wouldn't swap, but if the had the chance to in real life then Messi would be a Bayern player in the morning.

This. If Messi moved to Germany, playing under Flick and surrounded by the hardworking Bayern players, using their nutritionists and having no amigos to pad him, you would see an elite Messi again. In 3 weeks he would be eating his Sauerkraut, drinking his milk before bedtime and running like a Fruhlingshuhn.
 

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