Pep's man city declining is nothing to do with Kompany leaving, David silva playing less/at a lower level and then leaving, Aguero getting older plus being injured on and off? I mean it's not like these 3 players make the premier league best xi for the past decade or anything. It's a whole host of reasons and not just 'pep got figured out'
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JohnN
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Things are black and white for BBZ, that's why no matter what you say, you won't be heard by him.
Even your own examples @BBZ counter your arguments.
You post mid heights of countries and non of the best footballing nations have the tallest people. What is that supposed to show us.
Argentina and germany are almost equal and have nothing in common style wise. It's irrelevant at least.
On the "pep found out issue": everyone since the first year at Barca knew what tactics and tricks he would use. There are many people analysing that stuff, with more just than a pice of paper. As long as the players where in their prime, physically and mentally,that was an amazing system that would still work the same way today under the best circumstances.
Of course every system had it's drawbacks and weak points. Ours was extremely physical super good at defending teams. Not teams like Bayern and liverpool of today, that we would play our of the park.
Even your own examples @BBZ counter your arguments.
You post mid heights of countries and non of the best footballing nations have the tallest people. What is that supposed to show us.
Argentina and germany are almost equal and have nothing in common style wise. It's irrelevant at least.
On the "pep found out issue": everyone since the first year at Barca knew what tactics and tricks he would use. There are many people analysing that stuff, with more just than a pice of paper. As long as the players where in their prime, physically and mentally,that was an amazing system that would still work the same way today under the best circumstances.
Of course every system had it's drawbacks and weak points. Ours was extremely physical super good at defending teams. Not teams like Bayern and liverpool of today, that we would play our of the park.
CatalinR10
Senior Member
Alex Ferguson has 2 CL and 13 league titles in 35 ( ? ) years that he's coached.
Pep has 2 CL and 8 league titles so far , not to mention the other cups , supercups , etc.
It's only a matter of time until Pep wins the CL with another team.
And it's not like Ferguson played with amateur players his whole career let's be srs.
don't @ me.
Pep has 2 CL and 8 league titles so far , not to mention the other cups , supercups , etc.
It's only a matter of time until Pep wins the CL with another team.
And it's not like Ferguson played with amateur players his whole career let's be srs.
don't @ me.
soul24rage
Senior Member
SAF is considered one of the few GOATs in management.
26 years with Man Utd, but we had to take consideration that SAF had to "clean up" the club in the beginning just like Klopp did with Liverpool to win that 1st title.
SAF should be given a lot of credit of rebuilding teams over and over again and still being competitive, while Pep has not done that yet.
Not saying that SAF is better than Pep and vice versa, but SAF's accomplishments are GOAT worthy even though he "only" won 2 CLs
Gnidrologist
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There's nothing to "figure out" in Pep's system. It's painfully simple, more simple than many others. Your teams just got to git gud, very gud, to play it successfully over the years. Also relentless drill sergeant type of coach. Not for bbq cucks, who don't believe in their own authority and have complete power over management.
Total-Football
Senior Member
BBZ Predicts pep ending on a mental institution. I would put 300 euros if this was on betting web sites. All the coke he is doing its a matter of few years
serghei
Senior Member
SAF had full power at United. Pep never had that at Barcelona. If rumors are to be believed, he did push for some hard squad decisions and a rebuild after his first 4 seasons, as he was dealing to a clear drop in motivation. And he was denied by the board because they didn't want to cut very successful stars.
Ferguson basically ran United while he was there. The ultimate authority on every squad decision probably. Guardiola never had that, which is a unique thing to have as a manager. Obviously, Ferguson had that because he was a great manager, but still, not all top managers get that trust and power in a big club.
The problem at Barca is that the club is highly politicized. Every board will want to make their own decision and promote their own ideas, and because of this managers don't have much continuity. It's no doubt probably that Guardiola was seen as Laporta's guy.
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soul24rage
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yeah, the potential was there for Pep to do a rebuild like SAF did.
I'm sure he would have been given the chance if someone with similar vision like Laporta were the president during that time instead of Rosell. Shame.
JamDav1982
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Complete myth that Pep tried to sell certain players and board declined as a reason for him leaving. He has said that himself countless times.
Guardiola had huge control and they would have done anything possible to keep him.
serghei
Senior Member
We'll never know for sure what happened in the team, but if Pep felt he had enough power to do change big things he wouldn't have left in my opinion. After Pep left, the model was more Galactico-type. I believe Rosell and Barto were/are fans of this model, of star players at the expense of a well-drilled team.
Under Rosell and Bartomeu player power got too big in the team, eroding the manager's role and authority.
Yea, in 2012, there was a time to make some changes. To get some starters more worried of losing their spot. More competition. We'd probably have pushed Thiago in the team, more things could have changed for the better with Pep given full power.
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JamDav1982
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Pep left as he felt he was not having same impact on players and was worn down that is from him.
It was not about more power to change things so we do know.
The last signing by Laporta was Ibrahimovic. That was more of a galactico signing than anything under him for next board so that is not a valid reason either.
The reasons he left are simple and from his own mouth.
serghei
Senior Member
Yes, but Pep never was sincere in the press. About anything really. The real reason is unknown and open for speculations. I do not exclude the possibility that he left because he wanted changes in the squad and the board blocked him and sided with the players.
This board was always siding with the star players. Happened post-Pep each time, with each manager. That is why all managers lasted 2-3 years or some fell out even in under 1 season. Nobody got much power at Barcelona under Rosell and Barto. Some didn't get this power even from day one.
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JamDav1982
Senior Member
The book that came out about Pep and he contributed on and the reasons were given. He has been pissed off in past when the nonsense about players sales has been brought up.
That book was in no way protective of the board.
Pep has attacked the board since left as well and no reason to protect them.
Peps words from his own mouth and in that biography are the reasons. If want to ignore them and claim you dont know then that is up to you.
serghei
Senior Member
Could be, I'm not excluding that could be the case. I think it's more complicated anyway, than whatever appeared in the press or in books. There are ways to deal with a loss of motivation. You don't have to leave if there are things in place in the club that allows you to correct these things. Or try to at least before giving up at the first bad season.
Because if he always leaves when there is a drop in motivation, he should be leaving Manchester City no doubt in the summer, since they look like a demotivated washed-up team, not extending.
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