Fati_Future_BallonDor
Humble guy
Top goal from ham
Jude Bellingham
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Maradona37
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Brilliant play by him, keeper was a little weak as well to be fair.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
Humble guy
Yea a good GK would have saved it but still a great goal, and saw overall highlights from him on fb, he played very well, think Vini + ham are enough, with Mbappe its too much 😬
Maradona37
Well-known member
Yeah he's a quality player especially near the box.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
Humble guy
Yeah ive underrated this guy, he has been one of the better players this season for Real. Should be play near box as finishing seems to be one of his best attributes 💯
Maradona37
Well-known member
Yeah I have never ever said any different about him. Never denied that he's brilliant near the box. I am just not fully convinced by Gato's comments that he can run a game in midfield.
If he was my player I'd always be playing him in advanced positions.
El Gato
Villarato!
He's quality regardless where he plays as proved by him being teams best player since start of this season and his time in Dortmund
Nothing to do with him that forwards he plays with have been wasteful and fullbacks, who are largely the wingers in this side, have been injured or useless
Nothing to do with him that forwards he plays with have been wasteful and fullbacks, who are largely the wingers in this side, have been injured or useless
Temptation
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La Liga Goals + Assists per 90 minutes:
Olmo: 0.84
Ham: 0.83
CL Goals + Assists per 90 minutes:
Olmo: 0.78
Ham: 0.35
Temptation
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More defensive contribution than Olmo who's a pure attacking midfielder and Mbappe missing chances all the time.
Jude has been one of their only positives this season.
Maradona37
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I don't really think Bellingham is 'defensive' - being tall and strong and running about doesn't automatically make him defensive. His best work comes near the box.
Either way, he's a stats merchant, so no surprise he looks good on the stats sheet. He always will, it's the rest of his game that needs work.
Maradona37
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I just think it's pointless rating players like Bellingham, Haaland, Fernandes, even Ronaldo, by stats.
They are stats cheat codes - they will always get good stats. But they're moments players - it's how they perform in the rest of the game that often sucks. They are invisible or do nothing then pop up with a moment.
Really am sick of 'G/A stats'. They come NOWHERE CLOSE to telling the full story.
They are stats cheat codes - they will always get good stats. But they're moments players - it's how they perform in the rest of the game that often sucks. They are invisible or do nothing then pop up with a moment.
Really am sick of 'G/A stats'. They come NOWHERE CLOSE to telling the full story.
Windhook
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I see a lot of xG xA stats thrown around like it's the definitive factor who's great and who's poor. Gattuso would have had 0 on those scales back in the day and he was the dynamo of AC Milan for almost a decade. Doesn't translate with me as a football fan and what my eyes see on the pitch.
It's like waking up in the morning and check the box scores of NBA games. Wow somebody got a tripple double, but with abysmal percentage and turnovers.
Maradona37
Well-known member
Exactly, I am fucking fed up of it - I discussed it in another thread yesterday at length I think.
What is even the point of watching games if we only count up stats? Like you say we might as well just check the score at the end of the game and see who got the goals and assists - any idiot can do that. Where is the insight? Where is the analysis?
Like you say Gattuso and other defensive midfielders are legends, but because they don't get goals and assists they don't win individual honours. Look how fucking angry the plastics got when Modric and Rodri had the audacity to win the BD as midfielders.
Stats can be important but only very deep stats that cover all sorts of things - G/A are as superifical as they come. Look at garnacho at Man United - he's getting good stats but everyone can see he's shocking and they are papering over terrible performances, especially as most of his stats come against poor teams.
According to stats lovers Ronaldo must have played well in the 2014 CL Final - he was shocking and scored a penalty in the last minute of etxra time when the game was won.
I posted something in the Bruno Fernandes thread - some guy was telling a kid he knew how amazing Iniesta was - the kid googled him (having been too young to watch him) and said 'meh, half the stats of Bruno Fernandes in double the games' - this is what football has come to - Americanisation of it with stats about point scoring. Anyone with sense knows Iniesta was miles better than Fernandes and Haaland, even if Fernandes stats piss on his and Haaland scores more goals in a season than Iniesta does in a career.
You need to look at far more than G/A to compare Bellingham, Pedri and Olmo - you need to watch them, and you need to dig into all sorts of deeper stats too. Then you have to look at context of the g/a stats - has one scored more important goals, is one scoring more against weaker teams?
I like Tempt a lot but graphics like that piss me right off (when in football mode) and he knows that by now. They are so misleading.
El Gato
Villarato!
Absolutely nothing wrong with using stats. Players won't always get good stats, that's nonsense and attackers won't always stand out in those obvious ones
G and A are perfectly fine for some claims and poor for others. Depends what the claim is
If a CM has 10 goals in half a season that's a clear indicator he's performing well
If a CB has barely any headers, that's in most cases poor
Basic stuff
G and A are perfectly fine for some claims and poor for others. Depends what the claim is
If a CM has 10 goals in half a season that's a clear indicator he's performing well
If a CB has barely any headers, that's in most cases poor
Basic stuff
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