Josep Maria Bartomeu

[instinct]

@instinct - Yeah, I do feel for him. Give credits where it's. If it was up to Barca fans, Lucho would have been sacked after Sociedad game ...

Barca fans are no professionals and our opinions are mostly based on emotions while people like Bartomeu have to make decision based on rationalism. I don't give him credit for a logical decision which probably every president would've made.

You must have lived under a stone in the last couple of months. Blaming madrid media for our boards' failures? I simply can't understand it. For 5 years, Rosell and Bartomeu have damaged the image and state of our club in such an unimagineable manner that it's not even possible to live one day without reading the words ''tax-fraud'', ''crime'', ''judge'' etc.

They're a bunch of hypocrites, it's baffling how you can defend them. Blame the madrid media all you want but it's undeniable that they have destroyed our club in almost every possible way. Our public image has greatly suffered because of these clowns and the madrid media wouldn't be able to harm our image, if we didn't give them stuff to write about every day.

 

[Flavia]

Why mention Tito !? What's wrong with saying : Manager wanted to sign player who can bring something different. They mentioned Neymar, Tito gave green light. Neymar signing happened during Tito's tenure with Barca, that's a fact, he was just stating a fact.

@instinct - Yeah, I do feel for him. Give credits where it's due. If it was up to Barca fans, Lucho would have been sacked after Sociedad game ...

You have to ask that to Bartomeu. He was the one who mentioned Tito. And he also said only Tito should be praise for Neymar's signing, not barto or rosell. Tito was the responsible from bringing him earlier, which made ney's cost increase, according to Barto. He just wasn't involved in the economic part. Poor Barto just did what Tito asked him to do.

This is not a press conference or a random question. This is a criminal proceeding for tax fraud where jail time is on the line. That Neymar was signed is not the issue, but the manner in which he was signed. Flinging Tito's name into the criminal proceedings for tax fraud is irresponsible at best, despicable at worst.

Further though, it is very disingenuous of Bartomeu to attribute Neymar's signing to mostly Tito when in fact Rosell wanted him badly even before Tito was named Barca's manager.

Pretty much this.

 

[mobster_1930]

Barca fans are no professionals and our opinions are mostly based on emotions while people like Bartomeu have to make decision based on rationalism. I don't give him credit for a logical decision which probably every president would've made.

You must have lived under a stone in the last couple of months. Blaming madrid media for our boards' failures? I simply can't understand it. For 5 years, Rosell and Bartomeu have damaged the image and state of our club in such an unimagineable manner that it's not even possible to live one day without reading the words ''tax-fraud'', ''crime'', ''judge'' etc.

They're a bunch of hypocrites, it's baffling how you can defend them. Blame the madrid media all you want but it's undeniable that they have destroyed our club in almost every possible way. Our public image has greatly suffered because of these clowns and the madrid media wouldn't be able to harm our image, if we didn't give them stuff to write about every day.

I'm not defending "them". I'm just giving a different view on how misinterpreted Bartomeu was. I don't see anything wrong in mentioning Tito's name during this trial. I just don't understand why Barca fans are bashing him so hard over Tito while he didn't say anything bad about him. This statement was put so much out of contest it's ridiculous.

Is Tito a taboo subject right now ? Am I wrong to say he was probably a wrong coach for Barca in the first place !?

State of Barca during these last of couple of years is mainly down to idiot that Rosell is. And yeah, Bartomeu was his side kick during these years, so he is not innocent at all. But I mainly blame Rosell. He is responsible for the terrible state of club in public eyes during these last couple of years and just as Rosell storm was slowly settling down, news kicks in that Bartomeu is also on trial. Nothing wrong with that, I get it. They are both to blame.

But what we have now with this out-of-contest-sensational-newspaper headline that current club president is blaming former deceased coach for Neymar's situation. Just as Barca is on top form again, riding on all sides.

 

[footyfan]

JavDav, it is straight up beyond bizarre how you continue to give these people the benefit of the doubt. Isn't it enough they are constantly and repetitively mired in turmoil and scandals? One bad turn right after the other? Surely by now these people have exhausted all your reasonable doubt, no?

Time and time again they reward your patience and faith with horse urine on your face, yet you continue to be willing to afford them the benefit of doubt. It makes no sense.

What is so bad about answering a question? When a judge asks you why a pre-set deal was brought forward one year, is it really wrong to reply that the coach wanted the player?


This thing has been blown so out of proportion by people that it's ridiculous.

 

[Flavia]

What is so bad about answering a question? When a judge asks you why a pre-set deal was brought forward one year, is it really wrong to reply that the coach wanted the player?


This thing has been blown so out of proportion by people that it's ridiculous.

Without context, it might look like that. Also, that Tito can't say if this is true or not. And back when Neymar was signed, I don't remember hearing it was Tito's wish once. And now, Neymar was brought earlier because Tito wanted. Not because rm was trying to sign him, and rosell wanted Neymar at all costs.

 

[frog-fcb]

Some people on here really do make a big issue out of things. Its not a great unearthly sin to mention tito's name in court he was the coach that wanted him for the team he pushed hard to get him in a year earlier which would undoubtedly push the price up by so much especially with madrid also pushing to sign him its just such a shame tito never got the chance to coach him.
I would also say if anyone heard the actual comment from bartomeu it would be different from the manipulated version coming from the madrid media they have a clear agenda against us and the catalan state an will stop at nothing to drag our club through the dirt in any way they can

 

[Flavia]

Some people on here really do make a big issue out of things. Its not a great unearthly sin to mention tito's name in court he was the coach that wanted him for the team he pushed hard to get him in a year earlier which would undoubtedly push the price up by so much especially with madrid also pushing to sign him its just such a shame tito never got the chance to coach him.
I would also say if anyone heard the actual comment from bartomeu it would be different from the manipulated version coming from the madrid media they have a clear agenda against us and the catalan state an will stop at nothing to drag our club through the dirt in any way they can

I watched the video. This time the madrid press is not to blame. It's Bartomeu's own fault. Good thing is he is digging his own grave.

One of the best things I read about this, was that Tito also wanted Thiago Silva, but they signed Song. But somehow, with Neymar, "Tito's" wish was sooooo important.

 

[footyfan]

I watched the video. This time the madrid press is not to blame. It's Bartomeu's own fault. Good thing is he is digging his own grave.

One of the best things I read about this, was that Tito also wanted Thiago Silva, but they signed Song. But somehow, with Neymar, "Tito's" wish was sooooo important.

How do you think he should've answered the judge? I don't find it at all unbelievable that Tito asking for Neymar happened. Bartomeu also hasn't denied that Neymar's purchase was also driven by marketing purposes.

"We wanted to sign a high-profile footballer who would bring in lots of sponsors. Neymar isn't just a football player, he is a global superstar. We had never signed a player quite like him before.

"We wanted someone with Beckham's marketing pull; until Neymar came along, I had never seen anyone who matched him in terms of media attention."

I really have no problem at all with Bartomeu talking about Tito in this case. Seems like he was just answering a question. Also, it's not morally corrupt to invoke a dead man's words.

 

[Flavia]

How do you think he should've answered the judge? I don't find it at all unbelievable that Tito asking for Neymar happened. Bartomeu also hasn't denied that Neymar's purchase was also driven by marketing purposes.



I really have no problem at all with Bartomeu talking about Tito in this case. Seems like he was just answering a question. Also, it's not morally corrupt to invoke a dead man's words.

He should had told the truth. That rosell was afraid rm would get Neymar, so he sped up the signing in one year. Back then, there was no mention of Tito wanting Neymar as the reason for his early arrival. I find it a bit convenient Tito is being mentioned now, but wasn't mentioned when everything was fine. That is very odd, or you think it's normal?

As bartomeu said yesterday, Tito was ill, in ny, and asked for Neymar... how could he and sandro say no? So they sped up the process and had the extra cost. Such a nice story... If you don't think this is distasteful in the very least, then I have nothing more to say.

 

[mssarm]

Can't see anything wrong with mentioning Tito's name. Purchasing the player early doesn't warrant commitment of the fraud. Nothing wrong purchasing player early , nothing wrong the coach requesting the player early, everything is wrong running a fraudulent transaction and it was crystal clear that Tito had no involvement in technicalities of the acquisition. What is so impossible with Tito requesting the the player early? The implication that Tito's request somehow associates him with committed fraud makes no sense. Maybe Barto is a bad president, maybe he shares the guilt of all bad things that happened to Barca, but bashing him without reason is childish and serves no purpose.
Here's the statement from the club
http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/barca-amenaza-con-acciones-legales-4057081

 

[footyfan]

He should had told the truth. That rosell was afraid rm would get Neymar, so he sped up the signing in one year. Back then, there was no mention of Tito wanting Neymar as the reason for his early arrival. I find it a bit convenient Tito is being mentioned now, but wasn't mentioned when everything was fine. That is very odd, or you think it's normal?

As bartomeu said yesterday, Tito was ill, in ny, and asked for Neymar... how could he and sandro say no? So they sped up the process and had the extra cost. Such a nice story... If you don't think this is distasteful in the very least, then I have nothing more to say.

Do you hear about everything that is talked about in the club? When Neymar came to Barca, there were never any reasons given about why his purchase was brought forward a year. If anything, Barca desperately needed a player of that caliber at the time and Tito realized that. Villa was absolutely going to leave after that poor season. Barca's front line was very shoddy that season. Tito might've realized that better players were needed, and when Rosell/Barto approached him in NY and possibly reminded him that Neymar was coming in 2014 and suggested bringing the deal forward, he said yes. This doesn't directly mean that Rosell/Barto would have brought Neymar in 2013 anyway, without the coach's blessing they may have decided to honour the original contract, i.e Tito's request could have been decisive. Again, it's not like Bartomeu said Tito was the only reason Neymar was bought, he clearly said marketing was a big reason. And he also didn't go on trying to get moral sympathy like 'oh how could we say no to a sick man', he pretty much said it factually without invoking any other feelings.

To me you are hanging on to the RM story, because you don't want to believe that Tito might've asked for Neymar. The RM story was also completely media-driven right? I mean, how many times have the Spanish media actually been correct in their stories? Look I'm not saying that Madrid were not trying to sign Neymar, but maybe their focus intensified AFTER they learnt that Barca was bringing Neymar a year early. Atleast that's how I remember it.

None of this warrants the pitch-fork attacks seen on all Barca related sites. It's being made out that Tito's memory is being desecrated, which is an overreaction to say the least.

 

[Flavia]

Do you hear about everything that is talked about in the club? When Neymar came to Barca, there were never any reasons given about why his purchase was brought forward a year. If anything, Barca desperately needed a player of that caliber at the time and Tito realized that. Villa was absolutely going to leave after that poor season. Barca's front line was very shoddy that season. Tito might've realized that better players were needed, and when Rosell/Barto approached him in NY and possibly reminded him that Neymar was coming in 2014 and suggested bringing the deal forward, he said yes. This doesn't directly mean that Rosell/Barto would have brought Neymar in 2013 anyway, without the coach's blessing they may have decided to honour the original contract, i.e Tito's request could have been decisive. Again, it's not like Bartomeu said Tito was the only reason Neymar was bought, he clearly said marketing was a big reason. And he also didn't go on trying to get moral sympathy like 'oh how could we say no to a sick man', he pretty much said it factually without invoking any other feelings.

To me you are hanging on to the RM story, because you don't want to believe that Tito might've asked for Neymar. The RM story was also completely media-driven right? I mean, how many times have the Spanish media actually been correct in their stories? Look I'm not saying that Madrid were not trying to sign Neymar, but maybe their focus intensified AFTER they learnt that Barca was bringing Neymar a year early. Atleast that's how I remember it.

None of this warrants the pitch-fork attacks seen on all Barca related sites. It's being made out that Tito's memory is being desecrated, which is an overreaction to say the least.

Tito asking or not for Neymar is irrelevant to me, footyfan. He asked for Thiago Silva and got Song. And he lobbed a lot for silva. What's bothering me is that I think bartomeu's lying again, and using Tito as shield.

Rm interest was not only media driven. Neymar was their primary target, before Bale. Flo said in an interview he wouldn't sign Bale if he got Neymar. And you said it yourself, at the time no reason was stated to why Neymar was coming earlier. But now, somehow, Tito is being included. His name wouldn't had been mentioned had no problem with the signing happened. Rosell would be the one taking the credit, as it was before this mess.

These guys have lied before, and look at all the damage they already did to the club. I have no way to believe barto is being honest now. Do you also believe he signed the 13 neymar contracts without reading them? Because I don't. Bartomeu is facing possible jail time. He'll say and do anything to avoid that.

 

[pacp_96]

Barcelona's president, Josep Maria Bartomeu, explained to the judge that it was the job of the coaching team, led by Zubizarreta, to check the scouting reports written by Neymar's father's company.

As revealed by Spanish radio station 'Cadena SER', Bartomeu deferred this task to the football department. "I have seen some reports, but it isn't really my responsibility; rather that of Zubizarreta's team, which manages and coordinates the scouts", he said in a statement in court on 13th February

Someone tell him that if YOU sign a contract then YOU take the can for agreeing to what is in it.

 

[Vlom]

Someone tell him that if YOU sign a contract then YOU take the can for agreeing to what is in it.

Someone also tell him, that as PRESIDENT, EVERYTHING is his responsability.

FFS Barto just call the freaking elections already and go to hell!

 

[Barcaman]

Yeah, just what we need in final stretch of the season: Destabilize the club even more.