Joan Laporta

[jamrock]

Quick list of objectives truths from the 2nd laporta presidency, won't get too deep into These I've already posted on them elsewhere on this forum.

Took the job with the club on the brink financially and on the field.

Now we have the highest commerical revenues in the world & the 3-5th highest income in the world, all while not playing at the camp nou.

Reduce our wage Bill to within acceptable range by all measures.

Income to debt ratio of 1:3 or close to it, acceptable by every business standard on the face of the planet.

built a new stadium, when we were at our financial low point, because it's key to our success in the future.

Brought Barca from a laughing stock on the field, to 2 league titles in 3 years and a respected name again in football.

I could go on.

Now ask stig or whoever else why we should replace him, it will come down to he's fat,he lies or some random shit that makes no sense and can be easily dismissed.

Ask font what's his plans for the club, his answer will be, xavi xavi xavi and a power point presentation.

 

[TheStig]

Arguments against Laporta are countless, you just brush off everything negative about him because you worship him. As I said, I have to interest on "debate" on this level, you can continue on your own.

I just wanted to start a debate about pros and cons of all the candidates but looks like it's impossible here.

 

[jamrock]

Arguments against Laporta are countless, you just brush off everything negative about him because you worship him. As I said, I have to interest on "debate" on this level, you can continue on your own.

I just wanted to start a debate about pros and cons of all the candidates but looks like it's impossible here.

Name them and highlight how they outweigh the good he's done as president

 

[jamrock]

Hating on laporta is akin to those who hate on lewa and it's not surprising most of those people over lap.

A striker averages 30 goals per season for the club, no thats not good enough, he's a tractor, I want a better magical striker who runs, presses and all that stuff.

Zero attachment to our current reality, can't take these people seriously.

 

[TheStig]

Laporta's pros and cons are very well known for everybody here, no point in debating those with guys like you. I was asking about Font's positives and negatives and I got nothing except he's not Laporta and lies about socios rejecting him multiple times and some strange comparison with Rosell even though they are nothing alike as far as I see.

I want the best for Barca, not for Laporta/Font. It's very possible that Laporta could be the best candidate, I agree he loves the club, is loyal to it, has big charisma, can convince people... I don't agree with many of his methods, bans and the constant lies but I agree he's far from the worst president we had. I just don't see the situation as black and white, good or bad like you do where Laporta is some god and all the others are shit.

It's not a Barca special, it's common some folks worship some political figure and can see no fault in them. I'm just not one of them and find it really strange.

 

[jamrock]

Laporta's pros and cons are very well known for everybody here, no point in debating those with guys like you. I was asking about Font's positives and negatives and I got nothing except he's not Laporta and lies about socios rejecting him multiple times and some strange comparison with Rosell even though they are nothing alike as far as I see.

I want the best for Barca, not for Laporta/Font. It's very possible that Laporta could be the best candidate, I agree he loves the club, is loyal to it, has big charisma, can convince people... I don't agree with many of his methods, bans and the constant lies but I agree he's far from the worst president we had. I just don't see the situation as black and white, good or bad like you do where Laporta is some god and all the others are shit.

It's not a Barca special, it's common some folks worship some political figure and can see no fault in them. I'm just not one of them and find it really strange.

You have no cons you can debate about Laporta that are worthwhile. I literally have nothing to do today, and I can engage with you in a civil and simple debate about Laporta's pros and cons. I say this with zero fear of being proven wrong.

You will have no cons to offer outside of personality traits you don't like about him, and somehow that outweighs the objective good he's done since being president.

As it relates to Font, he has no pros. If you take 20 minutes to read his platform, it's basically what someone would come up with if they entered the right prompts into ChatGPT. He thinks running the club is some forum for a video game, where everything is perfect and should be handled by committee.

This is a man whose entire platform was built around Xavi, and who, as a porque, reminded us he wanted to sign Garcia for cash when he was free 12 months later.

He has nothing to offer. me you, or anyone else. One can go to ChatGPT and come up with Font's platform; it's that vanilla and unoriginal, and has zero basis in reality.

 

[TheStig]

As I said, there is no point in debating about Laporta if you can't see one single flaw in him. If you don't see it after hundreds of pages of posts of talking about it in this forum, you won't see them even if I repeat them.

I agree Font doesn't seem anything special, I think he lacks big personality that you need to deal with other big personalities like Perez, Tebas, Čeferin. That's why I'm asking about him to get to know him better, maybe there is something I don't know? At the moment Laporta and Font seem like the main two candidates, hope some third party appears but I'm always fearful that someone from the Rosell/Bartomeu clan can appear, I would become a Laporta worshiper like you if that ever happens.

 

[Messigician]

Quick list of objectives truths from the 2nd laporta presidency, won't get too deep into These I've already posted on them elsewhere on this forum.

Took the job with the club on the brink financially and on the field.

Now we have the highest commerical revenues in the world & the 3-5th highest income in the world, all while not playing at the camp nou.

Reduce our wage Bill to within acceptable range by all measures.

Income to debt ratio of 1:3 or close to it, acceptable by every business standard on the face of the planet.

built a new stadium, when we were at our financial low point, because it's key to our success in the future.

Brought Barca from a laughing stock on the field, to 2 league titles in 3 years and a respected name again in football.

I could go on.

Oh boy here we go

I’ll deconstruct this why not

1 ok? No shortage of people who relish a challenge

2 we had the highest commercial revenues pre Covid too. We probably under performed somewhat due to levers.

3 duh Pique and many others retired those were always going to go down, still far too high due to registration drama.

4 not laliga which is all that’s relevant I direct you to the attached graph before you tell me it’s ok.



5 we were building a new stadium regardless, some arguably nicer and with less delays.

6 we became a Europe league club under Xavi.
We would always challenge for the league as even under Koeman when we were room bottom we were competitive and won Copa.

None of your points impress us @Birdy agrees that Laporta doesn’t have a clear cut plan

 

[jamrock]

So basically you got nothing, I figured.

You might have few valid criticism, like the signing fans and these type of things. But valid criticism and being a laporta hater, who has no real ground to stand on are two different things.

Thanks for confirming, now will that stop you and others from saying he's fat and lies, no but that's the only ground you have to stand on.

 

[Birdy]

Except Birdy, we’ve seen this film from Hollywood before with Font v1.0 in Rosell/Bartomeu - an unmitigated disaster

Laporta ushered in success, the pinnacle of the club’s glory years from the ashes…just as he has been in the process of doing again since the corporate stooges decimated the club

Yanks didn’t learn, corporate whores do not care about you

How can you compare Rossel, let alone Barto, to Font?
What do they have in common?
I can't see anything.

Laporta succeeded the 1st time, mainly because of his huge luck to stumble on one of the greatest coaches EVER, Pep, and the golden Masia generation of Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Pique, Puyol etc.

Laporta 2.0 is a caricature of 1.0
Football has evolved a lot on the business side since 2003, it's neither acceptable nor sustainable to act on whims and random advices from random people. Now there are professionals at every department deciding, based on expertise

 

[khaled_a_d]

Still haven't heard no real arguments against Font,

His last campaign was a disaster to say at least.

He initially had some interesting podcast appearances with good ideas presented. Then when it came down to campaign he failed to impress, he half assed his project trying to get everyone in board, it was a mix between old ideas and new ones, trying to get both sides but ended up being a weird one

He also mentioned names he will hire, and many of them came out denying ties or flat out supported Laporta.

So, he went from being the guy with futuristic ideas into someone without a plan who is just desperate for votes, against someone who has a good track record and the backing of everyone essentially. He was essentially the name that those who don't want Laporta will vote for.

Now, you can say that this isn't an argument against him, being bad at campaigning (and recruiting folks to side with him) doesn't mean he won't be great president. Which in an ideal world is true, but in reality you have to win folks over, it doesn't matter how your practice is, if you don't know how to get votes.

Laporta, like it or not, is fairly popular and this term is considered success, a return to Camp Nou is MASSIVE for socios, the football Flick played is good. It masks a lot of issues.

What this means, in reality voters don't need an argument against Font, Font needs a big argument for him. To be a man with clear plan and ideas while being charismatic character who can win folks over. He can't win just because he isn't Laporta.

He isn't on a good start, trying to win the Messi stans (he just announced that his first call after election will be for Messi). Being a populist is Laporta's speciality. But then again, at mid 50's he can't campaign as the new young guy anymore.

 

[Birdy]

Oh boy here we go

I’ll deconstruct this why not

1 ok? No shortage of people who relish a challenge

2 we had the highest commercial revenues pre Covid too. We probably under performed somewhat due to levers.

3 duh Pique and many others retired those were always going to go down, still far too high due to registration drama.

4 not laliga which is all that’s relevant I direct you to the attached graph before you tell me it’s ok.

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5 we were building a new stadium regardless, some arguably nicer and with less delays.

6 we became a Europe league club under Xavi.
We would always challenge for the league as even under Koeman when we were room bottom we were competitive and won Copa.

None of your points impress us @Birdy agrees that Laporta doesn’t have a clear cut plan

The guy that supposedly was going to save us from criminal Barto who bankrupted the club

- kept giving lucrative contracts (like 30m gross to LEwa, 20m gross to Gundo, ridiculous 17m gross to unproven Ansu, etc.)

- kept making transfers based on his personal connection with super agents (Zahavi, Mendes, etc.)

- kept lying that we are in the 1:1 for 4 years. There will be elections, and we will not yet be in the 1:1 after 5 years of his presidency. Yet the sheep will keep blaming Barto

These 3 reasons alone are enough for him to not get elected

 

[jamrock]

If laporta didn't get us back to the camp nou before elections font would stand a better chance, he would still have lost because the voting fans understand he doesn't have a platform and his ideas are as basic as they come.

But with the return, any chance he has is gone.

Which is why he's trying to play the messi card.

 

[DonAK]

He isn't on a good start, trying to win the Messi stans (he just announced that his first call after election will be for Messi). Being a populist is Laporta's speciality. But then again, at mid 50's he can't campaign as the new young guy anymore.

Also talking about big signings like Haaland is a bit odd when your main point so far is that the financial situation is still terrible and you don't know the inner details being outside of the club.

It doesn't give the impression that you truly got a great plan this time either.

We'll see though. The proper campaign won't start until after New Year.

 

[Birdy]

Camp Nou is not ready yet.

Folk who have a brain understand this hasty return is happening for election reasons