Joan Laporta

[Porque]

EPL will continue to pull away if LA Liga doesn't start spending more to bring in talent or retain the ones they have

The gap is there but not insurmountable, as la Liga team up and down the league has shown when facing their EPL counter parts, but it will get more and more difficult, good coaching and great technique will only get you so far, if you don't have enough quality.

The top 3 In Spain will be able to compete with the top 3 from anywhere for a long time, even with simeone as coach lol.

The impressive thing about la Liga was the Villarreals, Sevilla's, betis, athletic's, regular kicking EPL teams aas even with less resources, that part of the league will try up soon.

We won't be hearing excuses about EPL teams not taking Europa league seriously anyone once they start to win it 😂 😂 😂 😂, and that will only happen because LA Liga teams can't remain or buy new players.

LaLiga can/will be able to always compete to an extent, because of the catchment areas and good academies. Barcelona dominates Catalunya, 2 Madrid clubs Madrid, 2 Sevilla clubs Seville and etc. While London is fragmented and diluted by about 8-10 clubs.

Liverpool and Manchester are like Barcelona and Sevilla, but their academies haven't been that productive yet. Even the new Liverpool lad is from London (Chelsea).

So yeah, ability to retain talents and the financials to make solid to good transfer signings is Spains route to competitiveness.

Tebas idea is austerity first survival of the league. But he doesn't see that if the EPL crashes, the government will just bail the league anyways as it is a national asset and a scheme to deliver state investments into the country. Same way Spain bail Madrid out. So the country needs someone with a more growth focused approach.

 

[jamrock]

LaLiga can/will be able to always compete to an extent, because of the catchment areas and good academies. Barcelona dominates Catalunya, 2 Madrid clubs Madrid, 2 Sevilla clubs Seville and etc. While London is fragmented and diluted by about 8-10 clubs.

Liverpool and Manchester are like Barcelona and Sevilla, but their academies haven't been that productive yet. Even the new Liverpool lad is from London (Chelsea).

So yeah, ability to retain talents and the financials to make solid to good transfer signings is Spains route to competitiveness.

Tebas idea is austerity first survival of the league. But he doesn't see that if the EPL crashes, the government will just bail the league anyways as it is a national asset and a scheme to deliver state investments into the country. Same way Spain bail Madrid out. So the country needs someone with a more growth focused approach.

Exactly, that's been is strategy for years now and it's not happening and he will never live to see the EPL fail and la Liga there to pick up the scraps.

Imagine running a business and that's your mentality smh

But it will never happen because as you said, the EPL is too important to England,it's one of their top exports in today's world.

PS everyone gets bailed out except Barcelona 😢 😢

 

[serghei]

I don't see it personally. EPL is more like a closed system now. The best players are still much more outside of EPL than in it. If anything 2 of the Premier League hottest players moved to Madrid this summer. A World Cup winner moved to Atletico 2 smmers ago. By comparison, EPL clubs are not able to sign such targets. They basically move players for insane prices between clubs. Eze, Mbeumo, Cunha, Madueke, etc.

And sign some talents for double the prices they are worth.

Hell, PSG are much more of a threat now to Madrid and Barca than EPL clubs.

 

[serghei]

If I make a La Liga dream team, it would beat the best side you could put together in EPL at least 7 times out ot 10.

 

[serghei]

Hell, even the bench of that side would go 5-5 with EPL best.

I want to see Altetico this season in CL vs Newcastle or current City.

 

[jamrock]

If I make a La Liga dream team, it would beat the best side you could put together in EPL at least 7 times out ot 10.

That's because of Barca and Madrid.

But if you should make a E.L XI for lack of a better word, once the la Liga team would be better, even though they would have less recognizable names than the EPL ones to casual fans.

That is slowly changing.

 

[serghei]

That's because of Barca and Madrid.

But if you should make a E.L XI for lack of a better word, once the la Liga team would be better, even though they would have less recognizable names than the EPL ones to casual fans.

That is slowly changing.

Yes, but what is the point then? This is no big feat. Everybody knows EPL is strongest in the mid sections.

But the battle is at the top. Rest of the teams are middle of the pack only.

My point is there is no superiority if your best are inferior to other league's best.

 

[jamrock]

Yes, but what is the point then? This is no big feat. Everybody knows EPL is strongest in the mid sections.

But the battle is at the top. Rest of the teams are middle of the pack only.

My point is there is no superiority if your best are inferior to other league's best.

The point is that wasn't always the case and In fact is a recent phenomenon and if it continues the league will continue to fall behind.

If you build a league only on the top teams you become france and Germany and then mal's stupid point starts to gain traction.

Getting new players in and more importantly retaining talent for teams outside the big 3, needs to be focused on by the league.

But this isn't a conversation for the laporta trend, I have already dismantled Mal stupid point about winning the league and the job laporta is doing.

This conversation is for the LA Liga trend.

 

[serghei]

How come? Last season La Liga had the most enticing fight at the top while EPL was a bore. You say as if EPL is always consistent. Not much. They are coming after a bore of a season, let's see this season.

As long as you have an elite rivalry it's enough. Most rivalries in sports have been duopolies at the very top. Celtics vs Lakers, Ferrari vs McLaren etc.

 

[serghei]

It is the nature of sports. It is pretty rare to have 2 consistent forces at the same time having a go at each other. 3 is incredibly rare. They still award one title. And you are not going to become great by losing. Not enough seats at the top for more than 2, and even with 2, one of those is a loser in the end.

It will ve very tough for EPL to find room for more than 2. Winners win, they don't compete. Clubs that are satisfied with 3rd place because oh the league is so amazing are already not cut out for the elite level.

 

[jamrock]

How come? Last season La Liga had the most enticing fight at the top while EPL was a bore.

As long as you have an elite rivalry it's enough. Most rivalries in sports have been duopolies. Celtics vs Lakers, Ferrari vs McLaren etc.

It was enticing because both teams drop points to mid and lower table teams.

This season something like a 13 points swing between the two teams.

Not sure what your not getting TBH


Without that the league goes the way of France and Germany, where you know their is little chance they drop points outside of games against each other, why is the league then worth watching outside of the two clasico's?.

You have to retain competition in the league in general for la Liga to remain the top two league.

Barca vs Rayo is a must watch because most think it's a game Barca might drop points.

Serie A had a title fight as well, no one thinks seria A is a top league, it requires more than two teams fight at the top to be a top 2 league.

 

[serghei]

I'm not talking about France and Bundesliga. La Liga has 2 giants. If you take half of Bundesliga and half of France, and join them, it's an elite league. There's an immense difference between a huge rivalry and no rivalry at all.

EPL has several big shortcomings despite the money, that's what I'm getting at.

La Liga teams drop points often. We were one of the hottest teams last season and we had a period where we could barely win points vs bottom teams last season.

There is a difference in budget, but La Liga teams compensate with other things. The better players you have, the more open you tend to play, the more bigger teams like it. This is something that often gets overlooked, the tactical aspects of it.

I'm sure Yamal and Mbappe would rather play vs an atttacking EPL side from 10-15th place in EPL more than a trip to Getafe where you face nasty closed games with all the shenanigans in the book.

 

[serghei]

Serie A had a title fight as well, no one thinks seria A is a top league, it requires more than two teams fight at the top to be a top 2 league.

Not only about having a title fight. Compare it to Federer and Nadal. Would you rather have Federer and Nadal dominating the field and then fighting vs each other for the big titles, or would you rather have 4-5 weaker opponents and a more balanced field? I'd sign for two powerhouses and seeing the showdown between them.

As opposed to teams who are good, great, then bad, and so on. Chelsea are now good after finishing lower table for years. If they were good consistently, they would never finish on 10th place. The league difficulty is not the real reason why EPL cannot produce legacy teams so to speak.

The reason I think is that clubs are far too calm in bad times, they have not reached a level where losing is a disaster. Stadiums are still full, fans behind them, local club vibes. Look at United, so much time in the dirt and it's like nothing happened, next year will be better. Except it's now 12 years and counting. Liverpool was the same. Chelsea the same, Arsenal even worse, and Tottenham are just perennial losers. A lot of rich teams, good players, but still don't see elements of really dominating clubs. Money counts, but since you don't have access to the world's best players yet... you have to develop them, and the club mentalities in EPL are just not elite.

With Madrid and Barca it's different. Lose once, it happens, lose twice, you're likely out. Sometimes you are out even if you win but say dumb stuff.

 

[FCBarca]

FAs in Europe are not meant to serve FIFA/UEFA but their own country’s infrastructure

Money from broadcasting & international competitions incentivizes individual FAs to land the most lucrative piece of the pie, even when it comes at the expense of their own long term health of all their clubs

Decisions that benefit international revenue streams at expense of player welfare, fixture congestion/fatigue & domestic development of game. Greed kills

 

[malvolio]

Discussion derailed into what league is better. Which was not the main subject.

As much as LL are competitive or not in Europe, things still stand - Real and Barca are overpowered for this league and don't have a worry other than getting 1st place.

So the initial statement that we are doing so well, when in fact with the league in its current state you have to be an idiot not to win something with either Barca or Real.